Hiroshima/Nagasaki Would you have dropped the bomb?

Late to this conversation but…

The Japs were the most evil race of cunts ever to grace the planet. As previous posters have mentions they were actually worse than the Nazi cunts, final solution aside. It was wholesale genocide in china and nothing is mentioned about it.

If anything, I think we should drop another bomb on the cunt just to keep them in line. Who knows, the resultant rebuilding of Tokyo could re-invigorate their flagging property market after 20 years of depression, the slanty eyed, inhuman bastards.

As for the cunts who claim that the Yanks should never have dropped the bomb or second bomb, go sign a petition to save a dead mangy Lion, you softcock gaylords and leave the business of winning wars to the rest of us. Diplomacy my bollix.

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The war was already won buddy. The instant annihilation of cities (without any warning) full of innocent civilians, the few survivors of whom - and their descendants - faced the rest of their lives in unimaginable agony, that is what what finished it, because the soldiers, who’s job it was, were either too incompetent or too chickentshit that they couldn’t force the Japs to surrender using conventional means, as was custom throughout the ages.

There was no need to do it, there really wasn’t. Unless you have a grá for wanton bloodlust. I’d say there is a direct lineage from America dropping the bomb to yanks going round shooting each other up in cinemas and schools/churches or what have you, every other week.

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Laz,

All reasonable points, but all with the benefit of hindsight. At the time you couldn’t blame the Americans who just wanted to end the was, knowing it would cost hundred of thousands of lived to carry out a land invasion. Countries at was don’t value opponents lives equal to their own, even civilians. I know I’m Old Testament on this, but the atrocities they carried out I think two bombs were justified. I don’t think any of us would assume that if the Japs had the bomb they’d have left it with Rory from Elephant self storage.

Another good point Laz. If anything a warning would have increased the psychological impact, and may have reduced civilian casualties.

In addition, on any understanding of law of war at the time, this was a massive war crime. It wasn’t an attack on a military target and the collateral damage was so massive as to be conpletely out of proportion with any military target. The Americans knew it was wrong. They still decided to do it, twice.

Problem was the Japs wouldn’t surrender. They would do the hari-kari thing before surrendering, down to ebery last man. It would have got very messy altogether. In the end it was the emperor (a living god) who issued the surrender. The bombs I think were 3 days apart, the surrender came I think a week after the second. So the yanks showed some bit of mercy.

Can anyone recommend a decent documentary on this?

The bombs had nothing to do with Japan. They were already surrendering. The real question is were the bombs justified to stop the soviets running riot? IMO yes.

You missed one on RTE last night. It might be repeated or on RTE Player.

I rest my case…

If they had the capability would the Japanese have dropped atomic bombs on the USA?

It was advertised as a docu/drama which didn;t float my boat

Is that relevant?

Were the bombs justified to stop the Soviets taking over Europe?

No.

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How many lives would have been lost in the alternate scenario? Millions

You’re speaking as if it was a straight choice, which of course it wasn’t. It’s not even a vaguely convincing line of reasoning.

The Soviets would have steamrolled across Europe if it wasn’t for the bomb. The bomb meant they couldn’t attack. It’s no coincidence that as soon as they got their own bomb the Korean war started.
I would go as far as to say the nuclear bomb has saved millions of lives in the last 70 years. Never again can major countries go to war, at least not directly.

The atomic bomb saved freedom. Anybody like me who fought and won the Cold War knows that.

Easy for @glasagusban and his ilk to question operations carried out under the dark clouds of Iron Curtain Soviet Communism.

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Communists like me hate freedom, comrade.