Iraq / Middle East / Murder Thread

mickee321 · August 2, 2014, 9:49am

yeah they bought it for a few million there a couple of months back
was at a lecture given by the CEO of WAZE recently, amazing fella

Fran · August 2, 2014, 10:05am

[INDENT][QUOTE=“Lazarus, post: 992911, member: 286”]And it gets worse and worse on a daily basis. A Jewish heritage in Israel plus a black president in the US have taken a notion that this massacre of innocent children can be somehow justified. These are desperately sad times for the Human Race[/QUOTE]

Is this the watershed moment where the world no longer cares about hiding it’s preference for money over people?[/INDENT]

Little_Lord_Fauntleroy · August 2, 2014, 10:29am

this is beyond sickening

our fuickin government are vile not to stand up against this

5 td’s are in the friends of Israel group out of all the tds. the last minister of foreign affairs and the current one are both in this 5, what is Kenny at?

mickee321 · August 2, 2014, 10:44am

[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 992898, member: 273”]The cunts are into a lot of practical sit, cling film, tin foil, plastic containers etc. there are lists all over the web, and those that disguise their origin (which the sneaky cunts have been doing for years) the barcode is 729.

Companies in Ireland and England have been caught faking the country if origin , Dunne’s Stores printed made in Cyprus for product clearly marked with a 729 barcode.

It’s unbelievable the money flowing thru Israel for so many products you would not associate with them. I’ll try and load a few images there with a collage of them, although the iPhone is shit for that.[/QUOTE]

kev the easiest thing is to destroy your laptop, if its an intel procesor and has flash memory it was 100% desingned by a team in Haifa and a 70% chance it was manufactured there if you bought it post 2007…
fuck your red peppers, get outside PC world and stop using your laptop now, anything else is hypocrisy

mickee321 · August 2, 2014, 11:58am

[QUOTE=“croppy, post: 992915, member: 230”]Why are Hamas terrorists Mickee? Democratically elected. Use limited means they have at their disposal to fight a vastly stronger enemy.
It’s a well known fact that Israelis invented cutlery so at an upcoming wedding I shall eat just with my hands and I would call on all others to join me as a mark of solidarity.[/QUOTE]

croppy i dont know about the cutlery, i thought we were saying it was only items currently manufactured in Israel, what about Israeli Arabs? if they are involved in the manufacturing process or if the peppers grow on a farm in nazareth or umm al fahm for example can we buy them?
anyay, The reason why Hamas are seen as a terrorist orgamistaion is because their charter calls for a destruction of the Israeli state and also their armed wing the Izz ad din al Qassam brigade of which Khaleed Mushal is in charge of have been involved in string of suicide and rocket attacks against israeli civilans during both Intifadas and up until this morning, ( i have a list below from wiki), 2001 being a particually bloody affair.

Now obviously if we want peace Hamas can no longer be recognised as a terrorist organisation, this is the only way forward, Your statement that they were “democratically elected” may be a bit rich, after israel pulled all 9,000 citizens out of Gush katif in 2005 there was no Israeli presence in the strip and it was under Fatah control, there was also no egyptian and israeli blockade… In 2007 hamas seized power or “won” an election… prt of the democratic process involved the imprisonment of all Fatah members, their offices were destroyed and there was a civil war in Gaza in 2007… when Hamas took over both Israel and Egypt stated that their security was at risk due to Hamas’s history of terror activities and closed their borders , which they have a right do i believe

[LIST]
[]16 April 1993: A Hamas suicide car bomb kills two in Mehola Junction bombing.
[]19 October 1994: A suicide bomber[/URL] detonates on a bus in [URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv’]Tel Aviv[/URL], killing 22 and injuring 56. Hamas claims responsibility.[URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades#cite_note-Moravitz-23’][23]
[]25 December 1994: A suicide bomber detonates at a bus stop in Jerusalem[/URL], wounding 12.[URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades#cite_note-Moravitz-23’][23]
[]9 April 1995: Two suicide bombers detonate in Gaza, killing one American, seven IDF soldiers and injuring 50. Hamas claim responsibility.[24]
[]21 August 1995: A suicide bomber detonates on a bus, killing one American, four IDF soldiers and injuring 100. Hamas claims responsibility.[24]
[]21 March 1997: A Hamas suicide bomber detonated at a Tel Aviv sidewalk café, killing three women and wounding 46.[24]
[]4 September 1997: Three suicide bombers detonate in Jerusalem, killing four and injuring up to 200. Hamas claims responsibility.[25]
[]27 August 1998: A bomb in a garbage bin explodes in Tel Aviv during rush hour injuring 14. Hamas claims responsibility.[25]
[]19 October 1998: Two grenades thrown into a crowd at the Be’er Sheva[/URL] bus station during rush hour injuring 59. Hamas claims responsibility.[URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades#cite_note-Moravitz_Pg_27-26’][26]
[]29 October 1998: A Hamas suicide car bomber attempts to ram a school bus head on near the Gush Katif[/URL] Junction. An IDF jeep escorting the bus blocked the bomber who detonated the vehicle, killing the driver of the jeep and injuring two others. Six people in the bus received light injuries.[URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades#cite_note-Moravitz_Pg_27-26’][26]
[/LIST]
Beginning of Second Intifada September, 2000.

Scrunchie · August 2, 2014, 12:36pm

[QUOTE=“mickee321, post: 992965, member: 367”]croppy i dont know about the cutlery, i thought we were saying it was only items currently manufactured in Israel, what about Israeli Arabs? if they are involved in the manufacturing process or if the peppers grow on a farm in nazareth or umm al fahm for example can we buy them?
anyay, The reason why Hamas are seen as a terrorist orgamistaion is because their charter calls for a destruction of the Israeli state and also their armed wing the Izz ad din al Qassam brigade of which Khaleed Mushal is in charge of have been involved in string of suicide and rocket attacks against israeli civilans during both Intifadas and up until this morning, ( i have a list below from wiki), 2001 being a particually bloody affair.

Now obviously if we want peace Hamas can no longer be recognised as a terrorist organisation, this is the only way forward, Your statement that they were “democratically elected” may be a bit rich, after israel pulled all 9,000 citizens out of Gush katif in 2005 there was no Israeli presence in the strip and it was under Fatah control, there was also no egyptian and israeli blockade… In 2007 hamas seized power or “won” an election… prt of the democratic process involved the imprisonment of all Fatah members, their offices were destroyed and there was a civil war in Gaza in 2007… when Hamas took over both Israel and Egypt stated that their security was at risk due to Hamas’s history of terror activities and closed their borders , which they have a right do i believe

[LIST]
[]16 April 1993: A Hamas suicide car bomb kills two in Mehola Junction bombing.
[]19 October 1994: A suicide bomber[/URL] detonates on a bus in [URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv’]Tel Aviv[/URL], killing 22 and injuring 56. Hamas claims responsibility.[URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades#cite_note-Moravitz-23’][23]
[]25 December 1994: A suicide bomber detonates at a bus stop in Jerusalem[/URL], wounding 12.[URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades#cite_note-Moravitz-23’][23]
[]9 April 1995: Two suicide bombers detonate in Gaza, killing one American, seven IDF soldiers and injuring 50. Hamas claim responsibility.[24]
[]21 August 1995: A suicide bomber detonates on a bus, killing one American, four IDF soldiers and injuring 100. Hamas claims responsibility.[24]
[]21 March 1997: A Hamas suicide bomber detonated at a Tel Aviv sidewalk café, killing three women and wounding 46.[24]
[]4 September 1997: Three suicide bombers detonate in Jerusalem, killing four and injuring up to 200. Hamas claims responsibility.[25]
[]27 August 1998: A bomb in a garbage bin explodes in Tel Aviv during rush hour injuring 14. Hamas claims responsibility.[25]
[]19 October 1998: Two grenades thrown into a crowd at the Be’er Sheva[/URL] bus station during rush hour injuring 59. Hamas claims responsibility.[URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades#cite_note-Moravitz_Pg_27-26’][26]
[]29 October 1998: A Hamas suicide car bomber attempts to ram a school bus head on near the Gush Katif[/URL] Junction. An IDF jeep escorting the bus blocked the bomber who detonated the vehicle, killing the driver of the jeep and injuring two others. Six people in the bus received light injuries.[URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades#cite_note-Moravitz_Pg_27-26’][26]
[/LIST]
Beginning of Second Intifada September, 2000.

Come up with any justification you want but there is no way I’ll be convinced that bombing and tearing apart innocent children is in any way right. Israel are the bigger power here and can stop the butchering at a seconds notice. They can allow Gaza to breathe (socially / economically / actually) and get the fuck out of the place.

Any acts of violence thereafter from Hamas should be treated as such, and UN sanctions applied, not genocide.

The mighty US of A have so much to answer for, empowering Israel and “ok-ing” the terrorism from Israel. I see they’ve voted to the funding of a further $225m to the Middle East* - not to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza - no to Israel for their Iron Dome. Obama, even rather matteroffactly admitted to the CIA torturing “some folk”- the world is fucked up!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/01/us-senate-approves-225m-iron-dome-legislation

The_Scouse_Cafu · August 2, 2014, 12:42pm

The problem here is that the Palestinians, who have no connection whatsoever to this area of the world, invaded Israel in 1948 and tried to drive the native Jews out. They’ve been trying to do this ever since.

At least that’s my reading of the situation from what I’ve learnt from the media.

maroonandwhite · August 2, 2014, 12:59pm

[QUOTE=“Scrunchie, post: 992974, member: 1408”]How many times do people have to say this. In an uneven war the far weaker side has to adopt guerrilla tactics. An open war in the trenches is not an option.

Come up with any justification you want but there is no way I’ll be convinced that bombing and tearing apart innocent children is in any way right. Israel are the bigger power here and can stop the butchering at a seconds notice. They can allow Gaza to breathe (socially / economically / actually) and get the fuck out of the place.

Any acts of violence thereafter from Hamas should be treated as such, and UN sanctions applied, not genocide.

The mighty US of A have so much to answer for, empowering Israel and “ok-ing” the terrorism from Israel. I see they’ve voted to the funding of a further $225m to the Middle East* - not to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza - no to Israel for their Iron Dome. Obama, even rather matteroffactly admitted to the CIA torturing “some folk”- the world is fucked up!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/01/us-senate-approves-225m-iron-dome-legislation[/QUOTE]

But if this is in fact a war what are Israel supposed to do? Not use any of their technology or the iron dome to make it a fair fight?

I don’t think it’s a war I think Israel are killing civilians and kids to put the boot on the throat of Palestinians and try and break their will. This is beyond disgusting and the UN, EU whoever should go straight in with peace keepers to prevent Israeli attacks on civilians, but the useless cunts won’t.

But Hamas are getting away with whatever they want scot free here, they are firing rockets into Israel, provoking a reaction then not giving a fuck when their own people are killed in retribution. They are not some beleaguered last line of resistance they actively want the same genocide against Israelis that that nutcase Israeli politician was talking about above for Gaza that everyone here was rightly sickened by, only Hamas wouldn’t be giving any Israelis citizenship at the end.

Essentially people should be going all out to stop Israeli attacks AND Hamas attacks on Israel, this should be done by setting up a Palestinian State entirely separate and unreliant on Israel. But do all these columnists and tweeters not see that they are supporting a terrorist group? This reminds me of all the anti war shite after 9/11, yes the invasion of Iraq was bogus but they removed an evil unelected murderous dictator, does that not have some merit? One of the main factors in all this is the anti US bias in European media, sneeringly asking how could the US support Israel. how can other societies support Hamas? and how can Europe do nothing while Christians are killed by ISIS, there’s no US or Israel bashing opportunity there so it’s not a hot topic. Israel is there to stay, until it’s own demographics say otherwise, Palestinians deserve their own country free from Israeli influence or settlements, but they don’t deserve any international support to drive the Israelis into the sea, the opposite in fact.

mickee321 · August 2, 2014, 1:28pm

[QUOTE=“Scrunchie, post: 992974, member: 1408”]How many times do people have to say this. In an uneven war the far weaker side has to adopt guerrilla tactics. An open war in the trenches is not an option.

Come up with any justification you want but there is no way I’ll be convinced that bombing and tearing apart innocent children is in any way right. Israel are the bigger power here and can stop the butchering at a seconds notice. They can allow Gaza to breathe (socially / economically / actually) and get the fuck out of the place.

Any acts of violence thereafter from Hamas should be treated as such, and UN sanctions applied, not genocide.

The mighty US of A have so much to answer for, empowering Israel and “ok-ing” the terrorism from Israel. I see they’ve voted to the funding of a further $225m to the Middle East* - not to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza - no to Israel for their Iron Dome. Obama, even rather matteroffactly admitted to the CIA torturing “some folk”- the world is fucked up!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/01/us-senate-approves-225m-iron-dome-legislation[/QUOTE]

im not coming up with any justifications for anyting, im just merely answering croppy’s question as best i can

mickee321 · August 2, 2014, 1:29pm

[QUOTE=“maroonandwhite, post: 992982, member: 1406”]But if this is in fact a war what are Israel supposed to do? Not use any of their technology or the iron dome to make it a fair fight?

I don’t think it’s a war I think Israel are killing civilians and kids to put the boot on the throat of Palestinians and try and break their will. This is beyond disgusting and the UN, EU whoever should go straight in with peace keepers to prevent Israeli attacks on civilians, but the useless cunts won’t.

But Hamas are getting away with whatever they want scot free here, they are firing rockets into Israel, provoking a reaction then not giving a fuck when their own people are killed in retribution. They are not some beleaguered last line of resistance they actively want the same genocide against Israelis that that nutcase Israeli politician was talking about above for Gaza that everyone here was rightly sickened by, only Hamas wouldn’t be giving any Israelis citizenship at the end.

Essentially people should be going all out to stop Israeli attacks AND Hamas attacks on Israel, this should be done by setting up a Palestinian State entirely separate and unreliant on Israel. But do all these columnists and tweeters not see that they are supporting a terrorist group? This reminds me of all the anti war shite after 9/11, yes the invasion of Iraq was bogus but they removed an evil unelected murderous dictator, does that not have some merit? One of the main factors in all this is the anti US bias in European media, sneeringly asking how could the US support Israel. how can other societies support Hamas? and how can Europe do nothing while Christians are killed by ISIS, there’s no US or Israel bashing opportunity there so it’s not a hot topic. Israel is there to stay, until it’s own demographics say otherwise, Palestinians deserve their own country free from Israeli influence or settlements, but they don’t deserve any international support to drive the Israelis into the sea, the opposite in fact.[/QUOTE]

excellent post

Scrunchie · August 2, 2014, 2:24pm

[QUOTE=“maroonandwhite, post: 992982, member: 1406”]But if this is in fact a war what are Israel supposed to do? Not use any of their technology or the iron dome to make it a fair fight?

I don’t think it’s a war I think Israel are killing civilians and kids to put the boot on the throat of Palestinians and try and break their will. This is beyond disgusting and the UN, EU whoever should go straight in with peace keepers to prevent Israeli attacks on civilians, but the useless cunts won’t.

But Hamas are getting away with whatever they want scot free here, they are firing rockets into Israel, provoking a reaction then not giving a fuck when their own people are killed in retribution. They are not some beleaguered last line of resistance they actively want the same genocide against Israelis that that nutcase Israeli politician was talking about above for Gaza that everyone here was rightly sickened by, only Hamas wouldn’t be giving any Israelis citizenship at the end.

Essentially people should be going all out to stop Israeli attacks AND Hamas attacks on Israel, this should be done by setting up a Palestinian State entirely separate and unreliant on Israel. But do all these columnists and tweeters not see that they are supporting a terrorist group? This reminds me of all the anti war shite after 9/11, yes the invasion of Iraq was bogus but they removed an evil unelected murderous dictator, does that not have some merit? One of the main factors in all this is the anti US bias in European media, sneeringly asking how could the US support Israel. how can other societies support Hamas? and how can Europe do nothing while Christians are killed by ISIS, there’s no US or Israel bashing opportunity there so it’s not a hot topic. Israel is there to stay, until it’s own demographics say otherwise, Palestinians deserve their own country free from Israeli influence or settlements, but they don’t deserve any international support to drive the Israelis into the sea, the opposite in fact.[/QUOTE]
The problem is Israel won’t give the Palestine’s a free state to allow the Palestine’s to then be judged on what they do. Israel has, as you say, the boot on them, which isn’t allowing them to operate as a normal country.

Israel also don’t want to incorporate the Palestine’s into Israel and give them basic citizenship as they fear that in two generations Arabs could outnumber Israeli’s and take over the country democratically.

So Israel’s answer is this hodge podge of giving the appearance of trying for peace without trying, while keeping the people of Gaza in an effective prison and refusing them basic rights.

If Israel pulled out and allowed a proper state in Gaza and Hamas continued their futile attacks, then and only then, should action/sanctions be taken. Hamas was birthed because Israel has treated Palestinians so poorly. They’ve nothing. People are “fleeing” from one zone to another, 20 on a makeshift cart being pulled by a beleaguered donkey.

Israel’s actions are surely the easiest recruitment drive ever for Hamas. Where else to turn for the kids who’ve lost siblings, parents, family.

maroonandwhite · August 2, 2014, 2:53pm

[QUOTE=“Scrunchie, post: 993005, member: 1408”]The problem is Israel won’t give the Palestine’s a free state to allow the Palestine’s to then be judged on what they do. Israel has, as you say, the boot on them, which isn’t allowing them to operate as a normal country.

Israel also don’t want to incorporate the Palestine’s into Israel and give them basic citizenship as they fear that in two generations Arabs could outnumber Israeli’s and take over the country democratically.

So Israel’s answer is this hodge podge of giving the appearance of trying for peace without trying, while keeping the people of Gaza in an effective prison and refusing them basic rights.

If Israel pulled out and allowed a proper state in Gaza and Hamas continued their futile attacks, then and only then, should action/sanctions be taken. Hamas was birthed because Israel has treated Palestinians so poorly. They’ve nothing. People are “fleeing” from one zone to another, 20 on a makeshift cart being pulled by a beleaguered donkey.

Israel’s actions are surely the easiest recruitment drive ever for Hamas. Where else to turn for the kids who’ve lost siblings, parents, family.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely, I don’t think I said anything to contradict this. Israels real fault lies in the prevention of the establishment of a Palestinian state, that refusal prevents any hope for Palestinians and leads to despair and then terrorism. And this blatant domineering and triumphalism by Israelis in the form of encroachment and settlement is disgusting and intentionally incendiary. Two entirely separate countries are needed, a permanent UN buffer between them might also be necessary. Palestinians would have to give up any claim to Israeli territory for this system to work though. In a simplistic way maybe Israels aggressive attitude was birthed by the six days war, even though zionists needed no provocation, or maybe that excuse is too old. Both would have to compromise, the extremist factions on each seem to have no desire too, so what’s the UN for. Describe any moves as peacemaking and the majority of Americans would be swayed towards them.

Scrunchie · August 2, 2014, 5:18pm

Reports Israel ground troops have pulled out of Gaza. Netanyahu press conference shortly.

BeTimberin · August 2, 2014, 5:37pm

Understandable - noone fucks with Kinvara!

TreatyStones · August 2, 2014, 6:06pm

They have pulled out of parts of Northern Gaza. Still battering southern parts.

Special_Olympiakos · August 2, 2014, 6:20pm

[QUOTE=“myboyblue, post: 992774, member: 180”]Eh have I read this right, did that Mongoloid just dump his Stanley tools because he thought they were owned by a crowd of Yids? Stanley fucking Tools?!!

What a fucking spanner :D[/QUOTE]
I hope @kinvaras passion has dumped the spurs jersey

mickee321 · August 2, 2014, 6:22pm

incorrect,

mickee321 · August 2, 2014, 6:30pm

Bibi is rattled here… the kidnap and suicide bomb via a tunnel yesterday by Hamas was a masterstroke, 3 weeks bombing tunnels and look what happens… the war goes on and israel didnt show up at the talks yesterday… God fucking help Gaza now… hamas are delighted now, bibi spoke like a deluded psychopath there, now he is the one committed to an armed struggle, not hamas, the civilian death toll is going to be enormous and Hamas are laughing in their face

TreatyStones · August 2, 2014, 6:37pm

What did he say? Refusing to turn up to the talks is a PR disaster (not that they give a flying fuck).

glasagusban · August 2, 2014, 9:53pm

Last week Israel committed to their offensive until they had destroyed all the tunnels. Now Netanyahu says it will continue, even after tunnels are destroyed? Can anything Israel says be believed?

Consistently annexing new territory, complete refusal to stop building illegal settlements, no engagement with peace talks -taking a step back and a broader view, everything increasingly points the fact that Israel simply wants to wipe out Palestine, and any possibility of a future Palestinian state.

Fuck them.