Ireland politics (Part 1)

Ah jaysus. One of the issues with diversity and gender quotas is the notion that replacing white middle class males with white middle class females is going to lead to a change in the groupthink.

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Someone is really doing a number on the FG and FF candidates.

Fine Gael ‘in dark’ on bullying case against candidate Verona Murphy

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Careful now, there will be lads lining up to call yer man a “student union politician” because they don’t have an argument to rebut his points

They’ll probably say something about his hair too

I think it’s a lovely hairdo personally - not Grealish’s, now, yer man’s

Grealish knows he can get away with it because he’s tapped into the hate that fuels most right wingers. They have his back

That’s a clamping.

When hate is mobilised it is bullet proof as a political force because it obliterates thinking

When somebody has arrived at an opinion based on irrationality, you cannot convince them otherwise with facts

That is the crisis that is now facing democracies all over the world

And it’s one that is almost impossible to solve - because history tells us that societies that have fallen victim to mass hysteria based on “the other” do not end up well

A point well illuminated by the right wing fanatics on here

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Jesus lads. You wouldn’t see that level of backslappery in a private school. You’re absolutely sending it. Which of yiz had to eat the biscuit?

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Flesh that out please. We are not all so au fait with private school vernacular

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It’s possibly quite dangerous to ask a private schoolboy to flesh something out

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soggy sid

Comrades can we not just all get along. :grin:

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Can I just say, what a hateful ignorant, stupid, fucking cunt.

I have been to paradise and it is the new extended Lidl on Thomas Street, Dublin 8. It is fucking unbelievable, it’s Ikea for groceries.

And Fagan O’Dowd’s post was the most incisive political comment that I’ve read here all week, out if the 100s of shite posted.

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Cabinet prepares for ‘all-out war’ as rural ministers plot to derail Shane Ross’ new penalty points plan

Pressure from Fine Gael as new speeding reforms viewed as ‘attack on rural Ireland’

Rural Fine Gael ministers are plotting to derail plans for graduated speed penalties which will come before Cabinet tomorrow.

Transport Minister Shane Ross wants to introduce new laws allowing penalty points and fines to be applied based on how far above the speed limit a motorist is caught travelling.

Drivers who exceed the speed limit by more than 30kmh will face a court prosecution and a €2,000 fine.

The Irish Independent understands a memo to be brought to Cabinet states Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan and the Garda Commissioner are in favour of the changes.

However, there is growing opposition in Fine Gael, which one minister predicated could result in “all-out war” at Cabinet.

While Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe have indicated their support for the proposals, ministers Michael Ring, Joe McHugh, Heather Humphreys, Michael Creed, Simon Harris and Paul Kehoe are expected to speak against them.

Mr Ross previously ran up against a wall w hen trying to introduce a tougher penalty points system last year - but believed he had now compiled a workable compromise.

Meanwhile, many Fine Gael ministers are under pressure over the issue from backbenchers and are gearing up to fight their Independent Alliance colleague.

Mr Ross told the Irish Independent last night that no Fine Gael minister “has made any approach whatsoever to me expressing concern about the revised proposal”.

“I’d be very surprised if any of them were in opposition to a measure which is carefully designed to save lives,” he said.

“It is strongly favoured by the road accident victims groups, the Garda Síochána and the Road Safety Authority.”

At present, a person caught speeding receives three penalty points and an €80 fine, regardless of how much they exceed the limit by.

Mr Ross wants the system amended so offenders are punished proportionately.

The sanction for those caught up to 10kmh over the limit will actually be reduced to two points and a €60 fine.

Anyone speeding between 10kmh and 20kmh will receive three penalty points and an €80 fine.

This rises to four penalty points and a €100 fine for those 20kmh to 30kmh over the limit.

The memo being presented for Cabinet approval then proposes the creation of a new offence of “exceeding the speed limit by more than 30kmh”. A breach of this new law would be dealt with by the courts and a €2,000 fine.

Separately, Mr Ross wants to clamp down on motorists who drive without having their licence in the car. Currently gardaí have the discretion to allow such motorists produce their licence at a later date - but the minister wants an automatic €80 fine to apply.

Although this element of his plan is not likely to be debated tomorrow, the effort to remove Garda discretion is also seen as “a step too far” by some in Fine Gael.

“He just can’t leave things alone,” one senior Fine Gael minister said last night.

The minister noted that while it’s hard to disagree with the principle, the changes will be viewed as “an attack on rural Ireland”.

Another said “the mother of all rows” was being lined up because the proposals are “too heavy handed”.

Those opposed to the changes argue that the law makes no differentiation between driving on national roads and motorways.

“Being 30kmh over the limit on a country road is a very different thing from being 30kmh over the limit on a motorway,” a source noted.

Depending on the outcome of tomorrow’s Cabinet meeting, the issue may be raised with the Taoiseach at a private Fine Gael party meeting in Leinster House on Wednesday evening.

Shane Ross is one of the most insufferable people in the state.

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This law seems reasonable enough though

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How are changes to speeding fines an attack on rural Ireland? Those proposals sound reasonable.

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Ah you just don’t understand, Rural Ireland is different. They can handle their drink better so the drink driving laws shouldn’t apply to them. Sure who would they hit driving home filled to the gills with drink.

I don’t see anything wrong with what he proposes, sounds very reasonable.