Ireland politics (Part 2)

[glasagusban]

You’re being a bit silly here. Governments can’t do whatever they want, that’s what the separation of powers is about. Contracts have to be honoured, including employment contracts. Donnelly has introduced a major change so that going forward private work will be taken out of public hospitals. He did it against huge resistance, it will have long term positive impact and he should get some recognition for that.

[tallback]

@flattythehurdler

Government can legislate.
The state owns the hospitals and can do with them whatever they wish. As things stand there are consultants who have been subsidised to the tune of high six figures or more during their training now being paid both an hourly rate and a massive extra for putting private cases on public lists. The public waiting list gets longer. More folk are forced to go private and on and on.

As an aside - they don’t own most of the hospitals

[Massey]

Who was the minister who issued these contracts that the older consultants have?

[flattythehurdler]

So the government are powerless to legislate that state funded and staffed hospitals can only treat public patients on public lists?

[flattythehurdler]

@glasagusban

He did it against huge resistance

No he didn’t. He introduced a new contract and said that was the contract. People signed up or they didn’t. That was the height of it.

[flattythehurdler]

@glasagusban

. Governments can’t do whatever they want, that’s what the separation of powers is about

They can legislate whatever they want. They can change the law once it stays within whatever greater framework they wish to comply with. Separation of powers is not the same thing as I hope you know.

[tallback]

@flattythehurdler

@glasagusban

He did it against huge resistance

No he didn’t. He introduced a new contract and said that was the contract. People signed up or they didn’t. That was the height of it.

I’m not sure on the legalities of it, I’d suspect it could be open to challenge if existing operational and employment contracts were in place but that aside in the real world you need to bring the hospitals and consultants with you.

As @glasagusban has alluded to - a lot of the private work is already gone from public hospitals in the last few years in any case as the hospitals stopped doing it under Slaintecare and the consultants moved their private work offsite

[Heyyoubehindthebushes]

Howare we paying more for prefabs than actual brick and mortor council houses

https://twitter.com/Nick_Delehanty/status/1841012535643840840?t=mrzfxvWa0_rvIkDuDaR-DQ&s=19

[glasagusban]

They’re the contracts that were always there under the “public/private model”.

[glasagusban]

He introduced a new contract on a take it or leave it basis. New consultants can take the new contract or they don’t get a contract. Once the older consultants age out and are retired it will make a huge difference. It can’t be changed overnight but it’ll have a big impact in time.

@flattythehurdler

They can legislate whatever they want.

Again, you’re being a bit silly here. No, the government can’t just legislate whatever they want, that’s nonsense.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

@Heyyoubehindthebushes

Howare we paying more for prefabs than actual brick and mortor council houses

x.com

he is a dolt, his last deep dive was all wrong

[Heyyoubehindthebushes]

Easy to waste public money

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

mutatio controversiae

[Horsebox]

Glas: governments can’t just do what they want, there are checks and balances in place to stop them just unilaterally introducing new consultant contracts.

Also Glas: once Trump is back in government there are no checks and balances in place to stop him introducing a North Korean style dictatorship that would see members of his family rule America for the foreseeable future.

A hapless simpleton.

[glasagusban]

I axplained to you the difference already.

Unfortunately, you are a dimwit.

Ladybird for you, two different countries that operate differently.

[farmerinthecity]

@tallback

lot of the private work is already gone from public hospitals in the last few years in any case as the hospitals stopped doing it under Slaintecare and the consultants moved their private work offsite

So Slaintecare is responsible for private work being moved from public hospitals - not Egghead.

[Cheasty]

@Horsebox

Glas: governments can’t just do what they want, there are checks and balances in place to stop them just unilaterally introducing new consultant contracts.

Also Glas: once Trump is back in government there are no checks and balances in place to stop him introducing a North Korean style dictatorship that would see members of his family rule America for the foreseeable future.

A hapless simpleton.

Unfortunately for you your post here demonstrates that it is you who is the hapless simpleton.

[tallback]

@farmerinthecity

@tallback

lot of the private work is already gone from public hospitals in the last few years in any case as the hospitals stopped doing it under Slaintecare and the consultants moved their private work offsite

So Slaintecare is responsible for private work being moved from public hospitals - not Egghead.

It’s both to be fair. Slaintecare provides the cross-party political cover but Donnelly has to get it done and implemented. We’re not short of glossy policy docs and aspirations in this country and usually fall down in the execution so Donnelly has to be given credit for that

[farmerinthecity]

I finf it very hard to give him credit for anything. The health service is still a basket case.

[tazdedub]

@farmerinthecity

I finf it very hard to give him credit for anything. The health service is still a basket case.

He doesn’t deserve credit for anything. If he called for a root and branch audit of the HSE and how they are spending the money then he would get some credit but he won’t do that.

Public services seem to be the wild west with what we have seen spent on Bike sheds, security huts and the NCH. All that happens is a shoulder shrug and “lessons learned” shite being spouted.