Ireland politics (Part 1)

I think she was exceptionally impartial tbh through the trial

Oh yeah, just think the news reporter should park it even afterwards.

Reality tends to be heavily biased towards the Democratic Party because the people who make up the Democratic Party tend to be at least rooted in reality and evidence-based thought, spineless as they often are in defending the interests of ordinary people, whereas the Republican party is the most dangerous political institution in the whole of the developed west - a collection of religious crackpots, kleptocrats, warmongerers, gun nuts, racists and bigots.

The vast majority of international coverage of US affairs tries to reflect reality, with a particular emphasis on how US politics relates to the rest of the world.

So, given that the Republican party has so wholly embraced the looney agenda, I think you’ll agree that bias towards reality will always mean a bias against the Republican party, in the exact same way that a bias towards reality will always mean a bias against, say Israeli government policy as regards Palestine, or apartheid, or naked greed and corruption, or science-denial, or human rights abuses, or dictatorial regimes.

I am not going to get into discussing US politics with you.

It isn’t a football supporters thing for me, which it bizarrely is for you, considering that you have never been there.

My point is on the bias of the Irish media’s coverage towards Washington, New York and the east coast, which are Democratic strongholds and fit into their view of what America should be. The Irish media fail to get outside the comfort zone, and this results in shock like in 2004 when they thought for sure that John Kerry would beat George W. Bush.

The letters page is pretty much the centrepiece of each edition of the Irish Times, and it reflects a wide diversity of opinion. A good letters’ page should be a centrepiece of any good newspaper.

It’s a waste of time correcting you, as in your head you can never be wrong, but you are simply incorrect here.

The Democratic party are increasingly out of touch with reality in the US, and with their traditional working class voters. If they were at all connected with reality they would have run a different candidate in 2016 and won the election. As if that wasn’t bad enough they are now heading down the socialist rabbit hole which ensures they will lose the midterms in 2018. They are such a shambles of a party with no leadership, the Democratic Socialist party is starting to set the agenda.

A mantra of “No borders, no profits, no prisons” is going to resonate really well with American voters :rofl:

Most commentators in Ireland predicted a narrow Bush win, because that was what the opinion polls had been saying for months. But sure imagine away what you’d like to think people were saying, like a manager of a victorious GAA team who were favourites going into a match, claiming that “everybody wrote us off”, “nobody gave us a chance”.

You must have missed every single one of the endless pieces from all over the US across UK and Irish media trying to find out why Trump was attracting support since he declared his candidacy in 2015, both in print and broadcast media.

For an angle that has supposedly not been covered, it has attracted an frankly incredible amount of attention.

But playing the victim and twisting reality even when it comes to basic factual analyses of what media has been covering is only to be expected from somebody who supported Trump, and who is incapable of any other tactic than to make themselves part of a culture of imagined victimhood over every subject imaginable.

I’m talking about objective reality, not the “reality” of objective loonies like you.

Snooze.

As long as it fits into your “racist”, “anti Semitic” (which you described Trump voters as) and rednecks it’s fine by you.

I couldn’t be arsed talking to you on this anymore, you have nfi about the United States but drone on about it constantly. Go out there and see the world a little and stop living in your little hut of despair, gobbling up the media.

Subjective reality is all that matters in politics (and life) mate.

Many of them are anti-semites and Trump has unashamedly dog whistled at them at every opportunity.

Again, a basic rejection of objective reality on your part.

I think you’ll agree that debating with somebody who rejects objective reality is futile.

You should know, because like all Trump supporters and hardcore Brexiteers, you’ve decided to make rejection of objective reality your primary modus operandi on this forum.

It must be desperately confusing for you trying to juggle your support of Trump with your opposition to Brexit, like a pick ‘n’ mix version of objective reality.

Did a socialist not smash a democrat recently in NY?

Correct, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defeated the incumbent Joe Crowley in a primary. If it was going to happen, it was always going to happen in NYC or CA. If the Democratic Socialists get a foothold they will split the party and ensure Republicans are in power for the next decade. There is simply no support and outright disdain for socialism in the US, except among the college age young (I understand that can be up to 30 in some quarters), and they don’t vote.

There’s no support because it has been repeatedly beat out of the US… And I’m not on about full blown socialism necessarily, we know that doesn’t work, but anything pertaining to be workers rights/trade unionism/welfare. Successive governments using the FBI/police/army smashed anything that might help the average working man. America is built on greed and a get ahead at any cost mentality with the blood of natives and African slaves and the exploitation of immigrants… Of course it’s against socialism.

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Overegging it. It isn’t like Europe for sure though.

You are agreeing with me, I take it?

Yeah… The last part didn’t really need to be thrown in. But you can’t discount the historic mind set of the wasps either, pal.

Yesh

The Democratic party, in its recent history at least, has been about working people, unions, etc, and have been in power more often than Republicans. There has always been a battle between moderates and progressives within the party, but this new “movement” is more left leaning than anything seen before. It’s precisely because of moving further left that Democrats lose elections, as Americans by and large are conservative and centrist.

Anyway it’s a discussion for another day and for the US thread.

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A decent point, in context, although it is a poor reflection when a minimum journalistic requirement (good letters page) comes to seem an asset. There is plenty wrong with The Irish Times but not really in the terms broached here.