Ireland v Greece - UEFA EURO 2024 Qualifying

[farmerinthecity]

@Big_Dan_Campbell

Big Mick’s second spell had less options/quality about it but were at least organised and able to hide some deficiencies.

I don’t know about that. Mick’s second spell had all the hallmarks of someone told after the fact that he’d be out of the job in two years. Hard to blame him I suppose although he was on very good money for the two years as well.

[farmerinthecity]

@Big_Dan_Campbell

The likes of Bazuna, Egan, Collins, O’Shea, Omabamadele, Cullen, Knight, Ogbene and Ferguson

I like Obafemi as well.

[Thornhill]

@Cheasty

Stephen Kenny does not have achievement, he does not have a messianic personality, he does not cut an impressive figure, he does not come across as confident or knowledgeable. He is somebody who would probably be a reasonably good social worker in inner city Dublin. But he cannot lead men in international football.

While he is sporting a haircut that his wife gave him he will never have a chance

[myboyblue]

@Thornhill

@Cheasty

Stephen Kenny does not have achievement, he does not have a messianic personality, he does not cut an impressive figure, he does not come across as confident or knowledgeable. He is somebody who would probably be a reasonably good social worker in inner city Dublin. But he cannot lead men in international football.

While he is sporting a haircut that his wife gave him he will never have a chance

The man’s got no plums

[Ralphie]

This us how an international manager should appear

Well turned out, not like he is on the way back from a hardware shop

[TheUlteriorMotive]

I’d expect @Little_Lord_Fauntleroy will back UEFA and the Greeks here

‘People could have been seriously hurt or worse’ – Ireland fans detail...

[Heyyoubehindthebushes]

Liverpool fans at it again?

[Cheasty]

@farmerinthecity

I recall Kerr being on the Late Late with Plank Kenny after the FAI refused to renew his contract,

He was incredulous.

‘Caaaarse I want the job I’m passionate abou ith!!!

Never could take him seriously again after that.

The modern thick Dublin accent is not an accent that can be taken seriously in sports management. It just can’t. I say that as somebody who has such an accent.

Neither can a Cockney accent or a modern Scouse accent.

A manager needs to pronounce their words correctly. No “wha” or “ih”.

Kevin Heffernan had a well spoken Dublin accent. It was identifiably Dublin, but he pronounced all his words properly. You could imagine this man being Chairman of the Labour Court. He commanded respect. Pat Gilroy has a similar well spoken Dublin accent. Dessie Farrell’s troubles mainly stem from his monotone speaking voice.

Joe Fagan could be taken seriously because he had an old school, trustworthy Scouse accent. Whereas Steven Gerrard’s accent and demeanour marked him out as somebody whose managerial career was never going to be taken that seriously for too long.

With certain managers, there’s a “the lights are on but there’s nobody home” vibe. Bryan Robson, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard and Stuart Pearce fall into this category.

Roy Keane and Graeme Souness weren’t stupid but fell into the psychopath category. Glenn Hoddle fell into the cunt category. These men just didn’t want to understand the psychology of men and how to lead them.

Kevin Keegan was the supermarket Shankly. He was able to lead men but only up to the point his lack of real football intellect was exposed, and once that happened, it was over. Tommy Lyons was his Gaelic football equivalent.

The man who broke all the rules was Sean Boylan. There is no way that man should have become what he did. And yet he did.

[Cheasty]

@dodgy_keeper

No idea what the guy looks like but from listening to him on OTB I envisage him scoffing doughnuts and being morbidly obese.

I was on a train from Galway to Dublin on Wednesday lunchtime and Will O’Callaghan of Off The Ball got on at Tullamore and sat a few seats in front of me, looking towards me, I could see him through the gap in the seats. He looked like an incredible muck monster. He had wild eyes and it looked like there were things growing in his beard, and possibly his hair. He stared at me a few times too like you might imagine somebody would stare at somebody they didn’t like at school if they saw them on a train a decade later.

[the_man_himself]

Under Mick we entered the last 10 minutes of the last qualification game pushing hard for a goal to send us to the Euros against an excellent Denmark team. A long way ahead of where we are now

[Massey]

@Cheasty

The man who broke all the rules was Sean Boylan

That’s cause he was a Leitrim man.

[Arthur]

What about rugby and gaa leaders in this theory? Paul o connell, ronan o gara, Brian Cody, Billy Morgan, babs, Micko, Paidi and maybe even jack o connor are quite leader of menish. ,

[Arthur]

Do we still have a chance of qualifying if we come 4th in this group through some type of nations league play off route?

[Massey]

It’s not the special Olympics

[Big_Dan_Campbell]

Potentially could get a playoff if majority of teams ranked above us qualify automatically.

[farmerinthecity]

McCarthy had an aging team with long balls, no cohesiveness and a reliance on David McGoldrick.

Kenny had to pretty much start from scratch with a new team and keeping the ball on the floor.

Obviously Mick has much more pedigree as a manager down the years but these things need to be borne in mind in the overall picture.

[Cheasty]

@Cheasty

Southern Ireland has never produced an association football manager of note bar Patrick O’Connell, who managed Real Betis to the Spanish league title in 1936 or thereabouts.

The closest we’ve got are Johnny Giles when he managed West Bromwich Albion for a couple of years in the 1970s and David O’Leary at Leeds. We just don’t produce managers. I think the only reason Giles and O’Leary moderately succeeded is that they were so ingrained into English football that people almost forgot they were Irish.

I forgot Joe Kinnear, but he moved to London at 8 years old, so he was more a product of England than Ireland.

David O’Leary was born in London, as was Paul McGrath, but they were very much not products of England.

[Perez2017]

@farmerinthecity

McCarthy had an aging team with long balls, no cohesiveness and a reliance on David McGoldrick.

Kenny had to pretty much start from scratch with a new team and keeping the ball on the floor.

Obviously Mick has much more pedigree as a manager down the years but these things need to be borne in mind in the overall picture.

We were showing signs of keeping it on the floor but the other night blew that out of the window. We couldn’t string a pass together.

[Your_Mums_Athletic]

@Perez2017

We were showing signs of keeping it on the floor but the other night blew that out of the window. We couldn’t string a pass together.

O’Dowda played as a left back was really bad, he was completely exposed, the fact Manning, Abankwah and potentially Cirkin are there shows Kenny’s mindset. Molumby is a poor version of Cullen who is average. No idea what Darragh Lenihan has done to be get a start.

[Iggy]

O’Dowda has 27 caps and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen him play well for Ireland. Maybe in an obscure friendly against Oman or something.