Ireland v Luxembourg - the Piles Derby

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Of course, if football is their sport and it most cases it is

Bazunu did, he went to one of the most prestigious schools in Dublin and is now at Man City, same with Zefri who is at inter or Armstrong

But that’s not the point, the opportunity is that players will use LOI as a backdoor to the EPL

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

Of course, if football is their sport and it most cases it is

Bazunu did, he went to one of the most prestigious schools in Dublin and is now at Man City, same with Zefri who is at inter or Armstrong

But that’s not the point, the opportunity is that players will use LOI as a backdoor to the EPL

What school did he go to?

[the_man_himself]

The likes of Cork, Limerick and Galway need to start putting serious work in on the underage side

[Big_Dan_Campbell]

Ruud Dokker as well thought of as the technical director and had implemented a lot of changes to underage structures. Our underage international teams are relatively competitive at the minute and all play 4-2-3-1 and progressive passing football. The problem is that the group that almost qualified for the 2019 under 19 Euros are pretty much the first group to emerge through the pathway and we have thrown a number of these lads to the wolves under Kenny. It takes time to change a footballing culture yet Ireland have tried to do it with the seniors overnight using a yellow pack manager.

[the_man_himself]

@Fagan_ODowd

Do you genuinely think any sane parent would let their 8 year old while away 10 years in a LoI academy for the end result of earning 150€ a week part time to play in The Carlisle Grounds?

I don’t think parents think like that. I think most parents would see that this is the next level for their child and that it’s a good thing for them to be training there. A young lad down the road from me is with the Waterford Utd youth team. I doubt his parents are thinking that they’re doing that so that they can make a fortune off him if he moves abroad.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Rovers have a link with Ashfield College

[the_man_himself]

We would have probably qualified for the u21 Euros if Covid never happened. Could have been a great opportunity for these players and Kenny

[glasagusban]

I think you’re overstating the damage Kenny can do to players. They spend what, 3% of the time with the national set up?

[peddlerscross]

I was in tallaght stadium when we matched up well to a good Italy side under Kenny in front of 8,000 people.

Hard to believe how far we’ve fallen in 18 months since

[Big_Dan_Campbell]

I would suggest you look at Trapattoni’s last campaign and O’Neill nations league campaign before getting sacked as to what happens once the dressing room is lost.

[Rocko]

@glasagusban

This is what pretty much everyone wanted though, for years. For the team to at least try to play positively, for the manager to back younger or more exciting players instead of older steadier players. Pretty much every Irish supporter was crying out for this since trappatoni, that’s over a decade. No one in the second half of trap, MON, or McCarthy’s respective tenures was saying “hold on now guys, maybe playing shite and not trying to do anything positive and getting some draws is actually the right approach for the team”.

It does seem Kenny was promoted too early but he should be let at it now.

One other thing, most everyone has experienced a bad run where confidence is gone and things go from bad to worse. You end up in that place where instead of controlling a simple ball it bounces away from you. Kenny seems like that right now. And if he’d had any bit of positive luck he mightn’t be. The six month break might allow him to regather himself.

There was a clamour for this type of football but it was wrong then and it’s wrong now.

Firstly, it’s just valuing one type of football over another for no reason at all. And divorcing it from success which is stupid. Managers of the class and pedigree of O’Neill and Trap and McCarthy and Charlton assessed the situation and came to a clear conclusion about how to get results. We had a clamour instead for a different type of football just for the sake of it.

Secondly there is lots of confusion about what good football actually is. We’ve just resorted to a basic possession game that isn’t challenging or technically different and that doesn’t cause problems for opponents. It’s just another way of being defensive by holding the ball in non threatening areas. I’d imagine the likes of Luxembourg find that an awful lot easier to cope with than anything with pace and directness. There’s nothing beautiful or progressive or adventurous about how we’re playing. It’s as stale and conservative as anything we played before.

And thirdly we don’t have the players, or probably then coach, to expand that monotonous possession into a more dangerous and incentive game plan. And anyone we might have to play that sort of game isn’t playing because we’re giving others a chance instead.

Agreed on the confidence thing.

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

Rovers have a link with Ashfield College

Never heard of it

[balbec]

This is the worst Irish team in 50 years

[Declan_Moffat]

Leaving cert college in Templeogue

[Big_Dan_Campbell]

Same thing was said at the end of Stan’s reign, Trap’s reign and O’Neill’s reign though. I think we have a lot of bang average players and below average coaching.

[Rocko]

@flattythehurdler

Kenny has had the misfortune to walk into a situation where there is a bit of a dearth of talent. Personally, I’d prefer playing as we are than scouring for Irish grannies again. Charlton was seen as a visionary, but that was pretty much the main plank if his football theology.
Have to keep going.
We have no God given right to be better than Luxembourg anyway. We batted out of our league for years.
My fear is that changes in the way the English club youth academies are set up means we may knee jerk back to begging second gen lads who would play for England if they could.
I’d prefer to do our best with lads who are playing for the country they perceive as their own.
Ah well, tis all the one.

I think that’s horseshit to be honest.

There was an awful lot more to Charlton than the ancestry rules. He had a very clear philosophy that got the best out of the players he chose (while alienating others) and was successful to an unprecedented degree. It’s way too simplistic to dismiss him.

And we should be an awful lot better than Luxembourg. If Kenny’s great vision is just to prefer players who were born in Ireland then it’s a stupid vision.

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Declan_Moffat

Leaving cert college in Templeogue

I thought he was going to say that they had used their old Milltown roots to link up with Gonzaga.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Google their results and their fees

[balbec]

The wrong sort of young fellas

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

Google their results and their fees

A grind school charging fees and getting results?