Ireland's health service


#442

nope, any public servant can be fired for breaches of the disclipinary code or failing to perform to a satisfactory level.


#443

They just don’t have any proper way of determining this though.


#444

they do, PMDS and PIP


#445

:smile:


#446



#447

They’re lovely policy documents, art. Are there any figures available for the number of civil servants that have actually been fired for under-performance though? I can’t find any figures for 2014-2017 but the number of civil servants fired between 2007-2014 is 55 (fifty-five). It is undisclosed how many of those were for under-performance unfortunately but at an average of just under 8 per year in that time-frame then one would have to believe that they are performing at an unreal level. Almost unbelievable actually.


#448

iirc, there’s been 36 fired since 2015. the new policies are bedding and I’d expect those figures to rise sharply in the next few years.


#449

That’s progress I guess.


#450

O’Brien resigns but should he not have been sacked? He gets to keep his pension. Same with Noirin O’Sullivan and Callinan before her. When there are no consequences for incompetence, fraud or corruption then it will continue to happen. Those that are being sacked have to be taking the absolute piss and are usually grunt level anyway.


#451

What’s the involuntary attrition rate?


#452

A lot of people that do not pass probation would resign having had a “perhaps this is not the right career for you” chat with a member of management, rather than it being forced through the formal process.


#453

Bedding in of new procedures?

PMDS has been around for at least 10 years.

Where is 36 coming from?


#454

What’s probation, three months? We’re in sweep sweep territory here.


#455

A year.


#456

Any rough figures for that? Even guestimates?


#457

He’s very defensive.


#458

yes, the new procedures are in a post to horsebox above. with pmds now, you only have 2 findings: satisfactory or unsatisfactory so its easier to get into the (new) disclipinary process and (new) managing underperformance.

the 36 is coming from my memory, I’d seen it in a document


#459

No I don’t. Luckily I passed my probation in February so I can put the feet up now.


#460

Congrats, bro.

That number would be small enough I’d say though.


#461

no feet up pal til a year after you’ve secured the PO position!