No idea. Wouldn’t cross the threshold of that place. It’s in the old school.
Interesting piece.
As evidenced by the commemorative stamp, where to place O’Connell and his relevance remains complicated. Any considered assessment must include debate about the merits of moral force, his placing of the Irish question at the centre of British politics and his international humanitarianism and championing of the anti-slavery cause, which was genuine and costly in relation to his standing in America.
In 1938, Seán O’Faoláin’s biography, King of the Beggars, presented a heroic narrative, lauding O’Connell as one who “drank deep of Europe” and fathered Irish democracy. Contemporary historians might be more nuanced and critical, but O’Faoláin did highlight the dangers of reductive hindsight, noting O’Connell was “radical only in relation to his times; never a republican … never a social reformer … there is no reason to blame him for that. His day is not ours.” He was, rather, “a brutal realist, occupied with the present conditions of his country,” whose “vision of an Irish democracy was limited by those conditions”.
Fair element of truth in this I would have thought?
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Truth in what exactly? The rich stayed and they weren’t real Irish?
Are we rich?
Possibly an unpopular opinion, who knows, but: I find a lot of this modern day harking back to the famine a bit nauseating. “We” suffered a famine too so we know how it feels. No “we” fucking didn’t. People nowadays have no connection let alone conception back that far. Another one is the “it was a genocide in Ireland too”. Fuck off.
O’Connell’s vision for ireland was a little Britain
with victorian virtues of industry and cleanliness. He used the church and shopocracy to drive this… the tool the latter two adopted to enforce change was shame .
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“The Irish were slaves”.
For the craic, I listened to one of Gemma O’Doherty’s latest videos to entertain myself during my Saturday lie in the weekend just gone.
Herself and some Canadian “show” host were agreeing with each other that the Irish were the REAL slaves, that they’d suffered far worse from slavery than the blacks in America.
I think I fell asleep about 35 minutes in.
Try and cram some more ignorance into that.
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What bit do you disagree with and why?
Do you realise the lasting effects of a famine are generational health wise yes? You can fuck off trying to shrug off the genocide too it’s British rule 101 they did the same in India but of course the apologists deny their blame there also.
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Was the Irish famine a genocide?
Bullet point: No
Here’s the chief apologist in 
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What effects has the famine had on your health?
Why was it a genocide exactly? It doesn’t need to have been a genocide to have been awful.
Research it yourself there is plenty of data on it, look up the Dutch famine of the mid 40s that the Nazis surely had no involvement in and its lasting effects, don’t be lazy.
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You claimed there were lasting effects of the famine on generational health. What are they?
Mental health is one. Can affect a population for generations after.
DNA can also be fucked up leading to all kinds of problems for a few generations…
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