Anywhere with enough civilization for this not to be the cultural highpoint of the day will struggle.
Kiely is right, but he has the luxury of being a settled manager in a settled side in a professional set up, and knows itâll only take a half hour with a bag of red blood cells to get Cian back up to speed.
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Id add that you canât by definition have âgenerational talentâ annually.
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Move to under 19 is crazy in my opinion. Harty cup is under 19 plus most young lads doing leaving at 19.
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flattythehurdler:
Kiely is right, but he has the luxury of being a settled manager in a settled side in a professional set up, and knows itâll only take a half hour with a bag of red blood cells to get Cian back up to speed.
No wonder Cian is playing College for Galway, free ride for college and living rent free in yer heads
Fran
February 21, 2022, 9:35pm
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Malarkey:
For quite a few years now, there is a strange tendency with hurling managers/coaches/trainers of Munster origin not to play full size games in training. This tendency has been rippling through all counties, because most people only feel secure if they are copying a so called big name. Harry Kehoe recently said Davy Fitzgerald never played even one 15 on 15 game in his five seasons with Wexford. I know The Rower-Inistioge were baffled by Peter Queallyâs similar approach when he managed them for a year. The same reaction dropped in Dicksboro last year to PĂĄraic Fanningâs similar approach.
Yer manâs absolutist tone on Twitter about developing hurling ability and skill solely through constraints games is representative â and durably risible. Constraints games are lovely, of course, for lads who have no intrinsic understanding of hurling â or maybe no intrinsic understanding of anything, except the effect, acoustically, of repetition.
Drills and constraints games are a perfectly valid part of hurling preparation. Part. You can hone certain skills â specifically, handpasses/throws and short stick passes â through these avenues. But other skills will lie unfostered, unless full size games are likewise part of the programme.
This factor became an issue for Ballyhale Shamrocks. They did little or no full size hurling in training over the last two seasons, which was a severe departure from well tried and well tested club practices. The amount of long or longish clearances that hung in the air, advantaging the defender, became a significant case in point. Recall the manner in which Fintan Burke was able to defend certain high balls in the All Ireland semi final. You cannot practice a 60 or a 70 yard delivery in a constraints game, oversight that ultimately coarsens your attacking options. A zipped front front delivery, of whatever height, will commit even a capable defenderâs body weight, leading to goal chances.
Obsessing about constraints games ultimately blunts, individually and collectively, a hurling panelâs development. But this penny will never drop with certain lads, since they are doing nicely out of ego and ignorance. Meanwhile Paul Kinnerk, I would guess, does employ periods of full size hurling in his sessions. I would make the same guess about Michael Bevans, Tommy Dunne, Darragh Egan and Eamon OâShea. And these figures are all, somehow, from Munster. I know this balanced emphasis is there with Richie OâNeill and Henry Shefflin.
I never knew Richie was involved with Galway until now, how has he fared so far as a coach?
I used to be fairly friendly with him when we were in school together but havenât been in contact with him in donkeys.
He was an intelligent chap and Iâd say the players like him. I always thought he overachieved when on the KK panel which is a testament to his attitude more than anything but Cody mustâve had good time for him
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Fran:
Malarkey:
For quite a few years now, there is a strange tendency with hurling managers/coaches/trainers of Munster origin not to play full size games in training. This tendency has been rippling through all counties, because most people only feel secure if they are copying a so called big name. Harry Kehoe recently said Davy Fitzgerald never played even one 15 on 15 game in his five seasons with Wexford. I know The Rower-Inistioge were baffled by Peter Queallyâs similar approach when he managed them for a year. The same reaction dropped in Dicksboro last year to PĂĄraic Fanningâs similar approach.
Yer manâs absolutist tone on Twitter about developing hurling ability and skill solely through constraints games is representative â and durably risible. Constraints games are lovely, of course, for lads who have no intrinsic understanding of hurling â or maybe no intrinsic understanding of anything, except the effect, acoustically, of repetition.
Drills and constraints games are a perfectly valid part of hurling preparation. Part. You can hone certain skills â specifically, handpasses/throws and short stick passes â through these avenues. But other skills will lie unfostered, unless full size games are likewise part of the programme.
This factor became an issue for Ballyhale Shamrocks. They did little or no full size hurling in training over the last two seasons, which was a severe departure from well tried and well tested club practices. The amount of long or longish clearances that hung in the air, advantaging the defender, became a significant case in point. Recall the manner in which Fintan Burke was able to defend certain high balls in the All Ireland semi final. You cannot practice a 60 or a 70 yard delivery in a constraints game, oversight that ultimately coarsens your attacking options. A zipped front front delivery, of whatever height, will commit even a capable defenderâs body weight, leading to goal chances.
Obsessing about constraints games ultimately blunts, individually and collectively, a hurling panelâs development. But this penny will never drop with certain lads, since they are doing nicely out of ego and ignorance. Meanwhile Paul Kinnerk, I would guess, does employ periods of full size hurling in his sessions. I would make the same guess about Michael Bevans, Tommy Dunne, Darragh Egan and Eamon OâShea. And these figures are all, somehow, from Munster. I know this balanced emphasis is there with Richie OâNeill and Henry Shefflin.
I never knew Richie was involved with Galway until now, how has he fared so far as a coach?
I used to be fairly friendly with him when we were in school together but havenât been in contact with him in donkeys.
He was an intelligent chap and Iâd say the players like him. I always thought he overachieved when on the KK panel which is a testament to his attitude more than anything but Cody mustâve had good time for him
He did really well as Coach for Ballyhale Shamrocks 2018-19 and was both well regarded and well liked by the players. I believe there was a similar response in Thomastown. And yes, like all the OâNeills, Richie is very intelligent (and shrewd about hurling and hurlers). He was likewise greatly respected during his time in UCC GAA Club.
Not sure he overperformed â but I would be a bit biased for being great friends with one of his brothers. Although only subgoalkeeper with the All Ireland-winning Kilkenny U21 team of 2003, which is a story in itself, Richie was ultimately promoted into the Senor panel ahead of David Herity. The cruciate injury in 2007 ultimately fecked up whatever chance Richie had. Funny enough, doing cruciate rehab in tandem with Henry made the two of them close. So, silver linings and all thatâŚ
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We call them âshrude oparatorsâ round here.
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Fran
February 21, 2022, 10:45pm
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Loko_Cove:
I was flat out doing small condition games with my 15s until I realised they struggled to strike the ball unopposed and basic skills were way off. I do think we are all striving for Limerick ball skills but the average club team can never achieve that and the basics are being lost to some extent.
We have over 100 girls in my eldestâs age group in Cuala, they train twice a week. The organisation and effort put in by both coaches and players is fantastic but as you said they donât even look at the hurley the days theyâre not training or playing matches.
The problem with Dublin is there isnât the space for that free play, when we were young weâd be out every day either pucking the ball against a wall or tipping around with your mates in the garden. My garden is about the size of a postage stamp so any practice outside of normal training has to be prearranged to go to the nearest park which very rarely happens
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Fran
February 21, 2022, 10:47pm
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Malarkey:
Fran:
Malarkey:
For quite a few years now, there is a strange tendency with hurling managers/coaches/trainers of Munster origin not to play full size games in training. This tendency has been rippling through all counties, because most people only feel secure if they are copying a so called big name. Harry Kehoe recently said Davy Fitzgerald never played even one 15 on 15 game in his five seasons with Wexford. I know The Rower-Inistioge were baffled by Peter Queallyâs similar approach when he managed them for a year. The same reaction dropped in Dicksboro last year to PĂĄraic Fanningâs similar approach.
Yer manâs absolutist tone on Twitter about developing hurling ability and skill solely through constraints games is representative â and durably risible. Constraints games are lovely, of course, for lads who have no intrinsic understanding of hurling â or maybe no intrinsic understanding of anything, except the effect, acoustically, of repetition.
Drills and constraints games are a perfectly valid part of hurling preparation. Part. You can hone certain skills â specifically, handpasses/throws and short stick passes â through these avenues. But other skills will lie unfostered, unless full size games are likewise part of the programme.
This factor became an issue for Ballyhale Shamrocks. They did little or no full size hurling in training over the last two seasons, which was a severe departure from well tried and well tested club practices. The amount of long or longish clearances that hung in the air, advantaging the defender, became a significant case in point. Recall the manner in which Fintan Burke was able to defend certain high balls in the All Ireland semi final. You cannot practice a 60 or a 70 yard delivery in a constraints game, oversight that ultimately coarsens your attacking options. A zipped front front delivery, of whatever height, will commit even a capable defenderâs body weight, leading to goal chances.
Obsessing about constraints games ultimately blunts, individually and collectively, a hurling panelâs development. But this penny will never drop with certain lads, since they are doing nicely out of ego and ignorance. Meanwhile Paul Kinnerk, I would guess, does employ periods of full size hurling in his sessions. I would make the same guess about Michael Bevans, Tommy Dunne, Darragh Egan and Eamon OâShea. And these figures are all, somehow, from Munster. I know this balanced emphasis is there with Richie OâNeill and Henry Shefflin.
I never knew Richie was involved with Galway until now, how has he fared so far as a coach?
I used to be fairly friendly with him when we were in school together but havenât been in contact with him in donkeys.
He was an intelligent chap and Iâd say the players like him. I always thought he overachieved when on the KK panel which is a testament to his attitude more than anything but Cody mustâve had good time for him
He did really well as Coach for Ballyhale Shamrocks 2018-19 and was both well regarded and well liked by the players. I believe there was a similar response in Thomastown. And yes, like all the OâNeills, Richie is very intelligent (and shrewd about hurling and hurlers). He was likewise greatly respected during his time in UCC GAA Club.
Not sure he overperformed â but I would be a bit biased for being great friends with one of his brothers. Although only subgoalkeeper with the All Ireland-winning Kilkenny U21 team of 2003, which is a story in itself, Richie was ultimately promoted into the Senor panel ahead of David Herity. The cruciate injury in 2007 ultimately fecked up whatever chance Richie had. Funny enough, doing cruciate rehab in tandem with Henry made the two of them close. So, silver linings and all thatâŚ
Very happy to hear Richie is doing so well, he was obsessed with the game as a young fella
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Fran:
Loko_Cove:
I was flat out doing small condition games with my 15s until I realised they struggled to strike the ball unopposed and basic skills were way off. I do think we are all striving for Limerick ball skills but the average club team can never achieve that and the basics are being lost to some extent.
We have over 100 girls in my eldestâs age group in Cuala, they train twice a week. The organisation and effort put in by both coaches and players is fantastic but as you said they donât even look at the hurley the days theyâre not training or playing matches.
The problem with Dublin is there isnât the space for that free play, when we were young weâd be out every day either pucking the ball against a wall or tipping around with your mates in the garden. My garden is about the size of a postage stamp so any practice outside of normal training has to be prearranged to go to the nearest park which very rarely happens
we used to play football on the road in winter, 3 cage families have ruined that
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Fran
February 22, 2022, 5:47am
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We play a bit on the road too but the cagers are very precious of their cages
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Congrats on the big win @caoimhaoin
Would you not just send him an aul tweet?
I wonder what Kev won? His club lost a county final today, either way
Bisto
November 25, 2023, 11:16pm
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https://twitter.com/movementcoachkm/status/1728353688782020858
Some blows being traded between the great man and Colm Parkinson of Parnells fame
