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Ronnie Whelan was world class, Brady was better, genuinely one of the very best players in the world at his peak, maybe didnā€™t fit into what Jack wanted but itā€™s quite believable that weā€™d have won euro 88 if heā€™d been used properly.

Only RoyKeane can compare to what weā€™ve had since between the pair of them.

Damien Duff was world class

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Brady was suspended first 2 games in Euro 88 wasnā€™t he?

He did his cruciate just before the tournament and Jack didnā€™t have to make a decision. Liam Oā€™Brien got his slot.

He only played Sheridan because he hadnā€™t a striker of note, let alone 2. The legs were going elsewhere and he needed to try keep the ball a bit.

Before Robbie Keane came along, Niall Quinn was the record Irish goal scorer with 21 goals I think. Just ahead of John Aldridge and Frank Stapleton. Tis a wonder we managed to be successful at all with so little goals scored.

Is the Saudi Arabia game in '02 still the only major finals game weā€™ve scored more than 1 goal?

Ireland have played 23 major finals games.

Ireland scored 0 goals in 9 of those games (1 of those games went to extra-time)
Ireland 1 goal in 13 of those games (1 of those games went to extra-time)
Ireland scored more than 1 goal in 1 of those games.

There we go

How many did they concede? Jack Charltons goals against in major finals was unreal. The last two were bad for that stat. Shipped a couple of wallopings

Euro '88
F2 A2

World Cup '90
F2 A3

World Cup '94
F2 A4

World Cup '02
F6 A3

Euro 2012
F1 A9

Euro 2016
F3 A6

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Never forget Robbie was very greedy, demanded to play in every stupid game - hat tricks against Faroe Islands, San Marino and Gibraltar count for 9 of his ā€˜internationalā€™ goals.

Games like that should have been used to build new blood and confidence but they were used instead to bloat Robbie Keaneā€™s ego.

Sure you could say the same about Ronaldo

You say that like itā€™s a bad thing.

Robbie had 47 in 95 competitive games and 21 in 51 friendlies

that competitive ratio of a goal every other game is outstanding.

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He wanted to play for his country?

How fucking dare he

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At the expense of blooding letting new players pop easy goals. Look at the games he scored in versus the ones we needed him to score in. He was cooked long before the fans saw it.

Who did he deny?

Weā€™ll never know. Thatā€™s my point.

You havenā€™t got a point

Ronnie was superb, bit like Paul McGrath he was so versatile

I think there was a few qualifiers for euro 88 where Jack had Paul McGrath right back Ronnie Whelan left back McCarthy and Moran in the centre of midfield with Mark Lawrenson and Chippy Brady centre of midfield!! By the time the finals came around Lawrenson and Chippy were injured so McGrath and Whelan were midfield

Back to my original question, did Jack not rate Whelen post 1988 or was it just a case of injuries caught up with Whelan?