Ok, I think thatās a bit silly now. I expect OāNeill to be very very good but he has done nothing yet to suggest he is approaching Kelly.
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Tony Kelly had won hurler and young hurler of the year by the age of 19. Cathal o Neill is still a sub and must be 20/21.
Tony Kelly in full flow is pure joy to watch. He has a grand way to him.
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Ceiling is how good a player could possibly be. Hence why Canningās ceiling was the greatest ever as he was making clean shit of adults when he was still in primary school.
Kellyās ceiling never as high but got every bit out of his potential. TJ Reid another.
Gleeson an example of it not turning out as expected. A very high ceiling, higher than Reid and Kelly among others but hasnāt worked on his game, all facets, like the others have and unless something drastic happens very soon heāll always be seen in a lesser light.
O Neill has everything in the pocket to become an all time great. Thereās nothing any player has that he doesnāt from an ability and physical point of view. As I said, big ask to reach that level as so few ever do deliver on the promise but it is all there for him.
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What age was TJ Reid before he broke through in KK?
I suppose the difference there is Kelly broke through to a shit Clare team (Iām going to say that they hadnāt won a single Championship match in the three years before Kellyās debut) whereas CON is trying to break in to literally Limerickās greatest ever team who havenāt lost a Championship match in 3 years.
As to the ceiling question, I donāt know how you really judge that, no arguing that Kelly has recovered from the meandering years post-2013 to consistently be one of the best forwards in the game.
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25 by the time he was an undisputed starter.
Started in 2010 alright but there were obviously lots of injuries and was a sub again in 2011.
CON is well ahead of him so.
I see what youāre saying but itās very speculative re OāNeill yet, Kelly was hoty at 19 and has performed to a very high level. I donāt think any of OāNeillās performances to date threaten that level, though itās possible he may have it in him.
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Iāve said it loads of times about TJ and Callanan, they were in their late 20s before they became the all time great players they developed into.
But it is a much better comparison. The thing that will halt CONās development is Hegarty, Lynch & Morrissey; the same way Henry, Larkin, Power, etc stopped Reid cementing his place as a young fella.
Kelly has done it all tbf to him, like Joe in Galway, he is the talisman of his team and I donāt know if CON will ever have that status (hopefully not, as it generally means your other players arenāt up to much).
Absolutely ridiculousā¦
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Iād say 25/26
Sure he doesnāt need to?
There was no lynch or Peter Casey and he was still a sub last year.
He looks a good young player but heād a big chance v tipp and didnāt really take it at all.
Heās invariably coming into a game where Limerick are winning and the opposition are mentally and physically destroyed.
Heās a long way to go.
Heard hegarty is really struggling at the moment so I suspect he wonāt start the league final or else heāll get a start and have to have a stormer but there should be an opportunity for somebody in that position.
Presume Murphy will replace WOD.
Thatās just an outrageous thing to say.
At OāNeillās age, Kelly was already hurler of the year.
CON will be a monster. Book mark it
A Manister
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Possibly. But ten years ago weād be talking about him as the second coming. Now heās just another young fella on the panel looking to find his place.
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The best hurler to root a ball out of a scrum of players.