Liverpool 09/10

From SkySports…

Paddy Barclay believes this will be Steven Gerrard’s last season at Liverpool if they fail to finish in the top four.

The Sunday papers have been full of stories about Fernando Torres wanting to quit if they do not make the Champions League next season and the Sunday Supplement panel believed that will happen.

But Barclay took the debate further, suggesting that not only will the Spaniard leave, but it will be time to part company with Liverpool Football Club’s talismanic captain.

“We’ve now got to the stage where Gerrard is entitled to move,” he told the Sunday Supplement.

"He got a lot of stick when he tried to move to Chelsea before and changed his mind, partly because of his love for Liverpool Football Club. I think the time has come, it’s just not in Gerrard’s interests to go, it’s in Liverpool’s interests as well.

"I’ll tell you why: because Liverpool Football Club is based on the principles of Bill Shankly and Shankly very seldom kept a player past 30; they would be sold when the time is right for Liverpool and the time is right for Liverpool now.

Decline
"The reason for that is the market value for Gerrard now, while he’s still in contract, is… you could argue between 20million and 40million.

"If you look five years down the line, Steven Gerrard will be nearly 35 and will no longer be of any use. If you think that Liverpool with him but without other players, are going to spend five years winning leagues and the Champions League then you’re in Hans Christian Andersen Land.

“They aren’t. There is only slow decline in front of Liverpool and that’s with Gerrard - without him, they would have money.”

Barclay admitted that it would be a public relations “disaster” if Liverpool were to sell their skipper at the end of the season.

But with Torres seemingly on his way, Javier Mascherano constantly linked with a move to Barcelona and Xabi Alonso already at Real Madrid, he sees it as a vital part of the rebuilding process that will need to take place.

And Barclay pointed to Manchester United’s sale of Cristiano Ronaldo this summer as a perfect example of a club cashing in on their prize asset in pursuit of the bigger picture.

“You’re saying that Liverpool Football Club is going to be wound up in five years time because Steven Gerrard is going to retire,” he said.

"The heartbeat of Manchester United was Cristiano Ronaldo but they sold him and it hasn’t curled up and died. It’s not as effective, but there’s a question of what you do with the money. Cristiano Ronaldo was sold at or before his peak and Steven Gerrard is not going to get much better than he is now, unless he gets a move - and it’s in everybody’s interests.

"It’s not as if it’s a new principle, it’s the way Shankly worked, it’s the way football works. I am sure they are not considering it because of public relations - it would be a disaster. But the point is, it’s not a novel idea because he was on his way to Chelsea a few years ago.

"Do you think he’d want to stay if Torres goes, which he will, and Mascherano goes, which he will, and Xabi Alonso goes, which he already has? Do you think he’d want to stay?

“There’s this sentimental thing which is bad for Liverpool Football Club; they have to get on with it and build.”

[quote=“ChocolateMice”]From SkySports…

Paddy Barclay believes this will be Steven Gerrard’s last season at Liverpool if they fail to finish in the top four.

The Sunday papers have been full of stories about Fernando Torres wanting to quit if they do not make the Champions League next season and the Sunday Supplement panel believed that will happen.

But Barclay took the debate further, suggesting that not only will the Spaniard leave, but it will be time to part company with Liverpool Football Club’s talismanic captain.

“We’ve now got to the stage where Gerrard is entitled to move,” he told the Sunday Supplement.

"He got a lot of stick when he tried to move to Chelsea before and changed his mind, partly because of his love for Liverpool Football Club. I think the time has come, it’s just not in Gerrard’s interests to go, it’s in Liverpool’s interests as well.

"I’ll tell you why: because Liverpool Football Club is based on the principles of Bill Shankly and Shankly very seldom kept a player past 30; they would be sold when the time is right for Liverpool and the time is right for Liverpool now.

Decline
"The reason for that is the market value for Gerrard now, while he’s still in contract, is… you could argue between 20million and 40million.

"If you look five years down the line, Steven Gerrard will be nearly 35 and will no longer be of any use. If you think that Liverpool with him but without other players, are going to spend five years winning leagues and the Champions League then you’re in Hans Christian Andersen Land.

“They aren’t. There is only slow decline in front of Liverpool and that’s with Gerrard - without him, they would have money.”

Barclay admitted that it would be a public relations “disaster” if Liverpool were to sell their skipper at the end of the season.

But with Torres seemingly on his way, Javier Mascherano constantly linked with a move to Barcelona and Xabi Alonso already at Real Madrid, he sees it as a vital part of the rebuilding process that will need to take place.

And Barclay pointed to Manchester United’s sale of Cristiano Ronaldo this summer as a perfect example of a club cashing in on their prize asset in pursuit of the bigger picture.

“You’re saying that Liverpool Football Club is going to be wound up in five years time because Steven Gerrard is going to retire,” he said.

"The heartbeat of Manchester United was Cristiano Ronaldo but they sold him and it hasn’t curled up and died. It’s not as effective, but there’s a question of what you do with the money. Cristiano Ronaldo was sold at or before his peak and Steven Gerrard is not going to get much better than he is now, unless he gets a move - and it’s in everybody’s interests.

"It’s not as if it’s a new principle, it’s the way Shankly worked, it’s the way football works. I am sure they are not considering it because of public relations - it would be a disaster. But the point is, it’s not a novel idea because he was on his way to Chelsea a few years ago.

"Do you think he’d want to stay if Torres goes, which he will, and Mascherano goes, which he will, and Xabi Alonso goes, which he already has? Do you think he’d want to stay?

“There’s this sentimental thing which is bad for Liverpool Football Club; they have to get on with it and build.”[/quote]

That kind of logic is insane. Utd sold Ronaldo beacuse he desperately wanted to leave, Gerrard wants to stay. By Barclays logic Liverpool should sell their remaining world class player(Gerrard), if Torres demands to leave at the end of the season. And how would they attract any kind of decent player if they become perceived as a selling club? Does Barclay advocate a new manager too? Benitez could not survive losing the core of his team.

Big game tonight for Pool in the battle for fourth.

If they lose it then they can forget it I think.

[quote=“farmerinthecity”]Big game tonight for Pool in the battle for fourth.

If they lose it then they can forget it I think.[/quote]

:D:eek::smiley:

They are long gone farmer, stop fooling yourself. They have a team that will be lucky to finish in a euopean spot.

Seven points off Tottenham with a game in hand. It’s only Christmas as well.

Hardly ‘long gone’.

[quote=“farmerinthecity”]Seven points off Tottenham with a game in hand. It’s only Christmas as well.

Hardly ‘long gone’.[/quote]

Spurs? Its Chelseas that are winning the league farmer.

The battle for fourth is what I am talking about.

I specifically made reference to it in my initial post.

[quote=“farmerinthecity”]The battle for fourth is what I am talking about.

[/quote]

A more realistic target alright Farmer, I don’t blame Liverpool fans for getting carried away at the start of the season but the readjustment in target/goal for this season only confirms the opinion that Liverpool had a lucky season last year.

You still on about that garbage?

Hardly garbage Farmer. All Liverpool fans (that I know) have a fierce difficulty grasping reality, when it comes to soccer. “Benitez will have to go, this is not good enough for Liverpool football club” the brother said to me during the Wolves match the other day. The poor misguided fool has never even seen Liverpool win one title in his life!

On the plus side for Liverpool, at least they have experiance of battling for 4th spot to fall back on in these tough times. Although a loss tonight might irrecovably damage Liverpool.

[quote=“tipptops*”]Hardly garbage Farmer. All Liverpool fans (that I know) have a fierce difficulty grasping reality, when it comes to soccer. “Benitez will have to go, this is not good enough for Liverpool football club” the brother said to me during the Wolves match the other day. The poor misguided fool has never even seen Liverpool win one title in his life!

On the plus side for Liverpool, at least they have experiance of battling for 4th spot to fall back on in these tough times. Although a loss tonight might irrecovably damage Liverpool.[/quote]

Liverpool are the most successful club in England. Of course it is reasonable for a fan to expect more from the club than the current situation.

I know that you are on a wind up here and I shouldn’t really reply to you but to suggest that last season was ‘lucky’ is garbage. You can’t have a lucky season - there is no such thing.

Farmer is under pressure here.

Liverpool team tonight.

Reina,
Johnson, Carragher, Agger, Insua,
Kuyt, Lucas, Aquilani, Benayoun,
Gerrard,
Torres.

Subs: Cavalieri, Skrtel, Aurelio, Kyrgiakos, Babel, Ngog, Spearing.

[quote=“farmerinthecity”]Liverpool are the most successful club in England. Of course it is reasonable for a fan to expect more from the club than the current situation.

I know that you are on a wind up here and I shouldn’t really reply to you but to suggest that last season was ‘lucky’ is garbage. You can’t have a lucky season - there is no such thing.[/quote]

Maybe lucky is an inaccurate word. An abnormal season? A freak season perhaps? I would class Liverpool’s season from last year as the same as the year Everton came 4th, or that time Ipswich Town under Geaorge Burley came 5th (or 6th). It was an achievement that bettered anything in the recent past and an achievement that won’t be replicated in the near future. Surely you will concede that much?

No.

You’re winding me up now Farmer. But you have re enforced my original point about Liverpool fans - they are invariably unable to deal with the reality of LFC’s position in modern day football.

That wasn’t your original point. Your original point was that last season was a lucky season for Liverpool.

Don’t be so pedantic Farmer!

Has the Xmas cheer gone from you already?

C’mon now Villa.

[quote=“tipptops*”]Don’t be so pedantic Farmer!

Has the Xmas cheer gone from you already?

C’mon now Villa.[/quote]

Not being pedantic at all.

Just pointing out that you have no point and are making it up as you go along.

Decent enough first half by Liverpool.

First time I got a look at Aquilani. Think he is a little nervous on the ball but looks a decent player. He is anxious to get on the ball from defence which is good to see.

Benayoun not playing well.

Cuellar in central defence looks dodgy enough for Villa but I would worry about Liverpool’s defending especially from set pieces.