Liverpool 2008/09

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[quote=“north county corncrake”]ill remind you of this post;)

So the words "sell-out" are a bit meaningless then, if half the lads who got season tickets for presents at Christmas can’t even be bothered to go to the games. Still, when the Big Club roll into town on May 16th, that’s when you’ll see a proper sell out.[/quote]

I thought you might :frowning:

Top be fair, I’m referring to around 20 seats in a crowd of 38,000. Bit different to 200 seats in a ground with one stand that holds 3,300 :rolleyes:

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United sold theirs out on the Monday or Tuesday afternoon if I’m not mistaken, and there were United fans giving tickets away for free outside the ground so not everyone who bought a United ticket ended up travelling.

The rest of your post is fair enough, we’ve all been through dramatic nights but I think that beat most of them, and I know I’d usually be hugging/celebrating with people around me after something like that - but then I know most of the people around me at the match, I suppose it’s different in a bigger crowd. I don’t think you see too many pitch invasions in Premiership grounds thses days, part of the sanatised nature of English football no doubt. As for carnage in the stands, I think there was enough of that, but maybe there wasn’t for some people who’d celebrate an expected quarter final aggregate win as if they’d won the trophy.

I suppose I shouldn’t speak on behalf of every Chelsea fan. Better to draw conclusions from the tv - because as we all know, the tv camera captured every reaction of every fan for every minute of the immediate aftermath of the game. Didn’t it?

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[quote=“Sledgehammer”]Most English clubs have plenty of scumbags running around after them, I can’t think of any that don’t.

I don’t know if the suits thing is a recent phenomenon, you tell me if you know better than I do. It may or may not be a new thing. The Taylor Report and Euro 96 changed the face of English football, along came a lot of new types, but there is also a simple possible explanation for the suits (I only saw one on the TV last night, don’t know how many anyone else spotted), which is that people were going to the game straight from work. It was a Tuesday night after all.[/quote]

Chelsea is the traditional club of scumbags in London - combat 18 and all that. Them West Ham and Millwall tend to attract the London ruffians. Chelsea’s recent successes though have seen a lot of posh people starting to follow them. Their ground is situated in one of the poshest parts of London too, not sure if the Fulham area has always been posh, but obviously that attracts some football tourists. But it still has a very scummy element. When I was at Stamford Bridge a few months ago I was astounded with the amount of Chelsea Rangers - pride of Britain scarves I saw swinging of the shoulders of some scummy pigs.

Went to Spurs on a Monday night this season. Spurs is traditionally the club of London bankers. The amount of suits at that game was unreal but then it was a Monday evening and I was wearing one myself I think.

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Didn’t you watch the game on TV too? Your view of it differs to most others who did. It looked like a very sober atmosphere for such a compelling game is all. You seem to have taken offence to those of us who expressed that view and challenged us to ‘live’ games like that, even though some of us have on numerous occasions. Chelsea have never won the European Cup, as far as I know, so I would have thought last night would have been a big deal for their fans. Firstly, you said the game was too incredible and draining to allow for celebrations; now, you’ve moved on to claim it wasn’t that big a deal to win it. Make up your mind please.

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[quote=“KIB man”]Chelsea is the traditional club of scumbags in London - combat 18 and all that. Them West Ham and Millwall tend to attract the London ruffians. Chelsea’s recent successes though have seen a lot of posh people starting to follow them. Their ground is situated in one of the poshest parts of London too, not sure if the Fulham area has always been posh, but obviously that attracts some football tourists. But it still has a very scummy element. When I was at Stamford Bridge a few months ago I was astounded with the amount of Chelsea Rangers - pride of Britain scarves I saw swinging of the shoulders of some scummy pigs.

Went to Spurs on a Monday night this season. Spurs is traditionally the club of London bankers. The amount of suits at that game was unreal but then it was a Monday evening and I was wearing one myself I think.[/quote]

A lot of that is irrelevent gibberish, but just to point something out, Milwall is the “traditional club of the scumbags” as you put it. The Old Den was probably the most feared ground in England for away supporters. The Bridge never was, not that I heard of anyway.

It would be easy for me to fashion opinions based on something like http://www.villahardcore.com/ but unlike yourselves and the scarves, it doesn’t actually bother me. Obviously having a scarf hanging off you makes one a scumbag now, unfortunate that.

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Yeah that’s right, I’m doing both.

Firstly I am saying that one possible reason why people might think the atmosphere was muted was that maybe it doesn’t mean as much as some people assume it should, knocking Livepool out at home for the second season in a row, a stage earlier than last year, and more expected than last year, and with Barcelona still standing in the way of a tilt at the trophy.

Secondly I am saying that the television doesn’t come close to capturing the atmosphere.

Thirdly, I never said that the game was too draining to allow for celebrations, or anything like it. I merely think it’s pathetic for people on here to assume to lecture Chelsea fans on how they should celebrate any given result, quarter final or otherwise.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a GAA crowd generate any kind of off-field “atmosphere”, but I don’t presume to comment on it as if that’s the way they want to live the game, it really doesn’t bother me enough to presume that I’m more passionate than them, or I’m more “hardcore”, or something self-obsessed like that.

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[quote=“Sledgehammer”]A lot of that is irrelevent gibberish, but just to point something out, Milwall is the “traditional club of the scumbags” as you put it. The Old Den was probably the most feared ground in England for away supporters. The Bridge never was, not that I heard of anyway.

It would be easy for me to fashion opinions based on something like http://www.villahardcore.com/ but unlike yourselves and the scarves, it doesn’t actually bother me. Obviously having a scarf hanging off you makes one a scumbag now, unfortunate that.[/quote]

eh, the Chelsea Headhunters weren’t/ aren’t a very pleasant bunch of lads.
Didn’t McIntyre infiltrate them.
You wouldn’t want to be an away supporter on the kings road while these boys were around.

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[quote=“Mullach Ide”]eh, the Chelsea Headhunters weren’t/ aren’t a very pleasant bunch of lads.
Didn’t McIntyre infiltrate them.
You wouldn’t want to be an away supporter on the kings road while these boys were around.[/quote]

So Chelsea had/have hooligans following them? What is that supposed to prove in terms of them being “the traditional club of the scumbags”? So Chelsea have a firm and it has a name, and McIntyre “infiltrated” them? Do you think no other club in London/England had firms, even shock horror, ones with names?

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Can this debate be taken somewhere else?

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[quote=“Sledgehammer”]Yeah that’s right, I’m doing both.

Firstly I am saying that one possible reason why people might think the atmosphere was muted was that maybe it doesn’t mean as much as some people assume it should, knocking Livepool out at home for the second season in a row, a stage earlier than last year, and more expected than last year, and with Barcelona still standing in the way of a tilt at the trophy.

Secondly I am saying that the television doesn’t come close to capturing the atmosphere.

Thirdly, I never said that the game was too draining to allow for celebrations, or anything like it. I merely think it’s pathetic for people on here to assume to lecture Chelsea fans on how they should celebrate any given result, quarter final or otherwise.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a GAA crowd generate any kind of off-field “atmosphere”, but I don’t presume to comment on it as if that’s the way they want to live the game, it really doesn’t bother me enough to presume that I’m more passionate than them, or I’m more “hardcore”, or something self-obsessed like that.[/quote]

Again, you’re making assumptions, like you did about attendance at sporting events. Of course, I can feel free to comment on supporter reaction from any team. I never claimed it bothered me - something doesn’t necessarily have to bother me to comment on it. And you feel free to comment on GAA all you like too.

I’m not obsessing about it either and I never mentioned my own support - another assumption on your part. I just thought the muted Chelsea supporter reaction was pretty feeble and in line with their inability to sell out Champions League games on a regular basis. Again, it’s just my opinion rather than a lecture - you appear to be hanging onto it and doing the lecturing about what’s valid and not to comment on.

Right, that’s my last word on this following WTB’s post as it’s the Liverpool thread.

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Most of them had,some more notorious than others, Chelsea’s was notorious as was Milwall’s, West Ham’s, Man U’s and Leeds.
Did you think everyone had afternoon tea at the bridge in the 70’s/80’s. Every ground in the uk was dodgy back then, no exceptions.

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[quote=“Mullach Ide”]Most of them had,some more notorious than others, Chelsea’s was notorious as was Milwall’s, West Ham’s, Man U’s and Leeds.
Did you think everyone had afternoon tea at the bridge in the 70’s/80’s. Every ground in the uk was dodgy back then, no exceptions.[/quote]

odd you dont mention liverpool who were without doubt the worst because of heysel

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There’s a programme about the Celtic v Liverpool game from post-Hillsborough on Liverpool TV at 9 if anyone’s interested. Will record it anyway.

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There’s a documentary on the History Channel at the moment. Very heavy.

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I was in Stamford Bridge last night and it was a crazy, crazy game where Chelsea did nothing until Reina gifted them a goal.

After that they were all over Liverpool although given the general craziness of the match in general Liverpool could well have nicked the match.

Atmosphere was decent - Liverpool fans made all the noise though.

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Is this thread not closed for the season?

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:smiley:

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Tempting fate?

I can see your post being quoted back pretty regularly if Liverpool win the league. :smiley:

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[quote=“Bandage”]Tempting fate?

I can see your post being quoted back pretty regularly if Liverpool win the league. :D[/quote]

Damn right bandage. A little early maybe. But United back defending well will definitely go a huge way to sorting out the league. Anyway…Gotta stick it to the cunts when they’re over pissing and moaning on the Man U thread.

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Today of all days

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=240934.0