Paul Ince is in talks about taking over at the MK Dons again
another ex LOI manager gets a big move
CELTIC Football Club wishes to announce that reserve-team coach Willie McStay will be leaving the club to take up an exciting new role as manager of Ujpest FC in Budapest, Hungary.
A former Celtic player, Willie is a highly-rated coach and has enjoyed tremendous success with the Celtic youth and reserve sides in recent years. He has been at the club in a coaching capacity for 15 years.
Celtic have developed a good relationship with Ujpest in recent times and this managerial position represents an outstanding opportunity for Willie.
He said: I intend to keep in touch with developments at Celtic but this is a great move for me at this stage of my career and I am really looking forward to the challenge.
Celtic Chief Executive Peter Lawwell commented: Willie goes with our very best wishes. This is a tremendous opportunity for him to gain invaluable managerial experience and we wish him every success.
Ujpest FC Chief Executive Joe Borocz came to Glasgow on Tuesday to conclude the negotiations. He said: We are looking forward to welcoming Willie to Budapest. We are confident that he will have a very positive impact on our team and on Hungarian football overall.
Good appointment for them - seems like a good manager. Hope he does well and gets the Celtic job when Mowbray retires after winning back to back Champions Leagues.
I wish Willie McStay all the best - I think we’ve an informal link with that club so I imagine the door will always be open for him to return to Celtic. As for Keane, it wasn’t a gamble to sign him as we were already streets ahead in the league that season when he signed at Christmas. Sure, his presence would have given a kick to merchandising sales and a boost to club coffers. That tends to happen when clubs sign high profile players and wouldn’t really be regarded as a negative. He wasn’t up to playing regularly in the SPL, unfortunately, and chose to retire at the end of season. My qualm was the fact he’d signed an 18-month deal and he waited for quite a period that summer before formally announcing his retirement. We obviously were constrained in making any new signings until his wages were freed up and we ended up with Tommy Gravesen - another player who came to Celtic with a big reputation from his EPL days but was found sadly lacking.
Gamble in the sense of the manager didnt want him and saw him as a threat, also that he was poison at that stage in that he wasnt getting any better and his dressing room influence was another negative. Despite all that Keane comfortably was the best midfielder in the league, watched a half fit Keane give a run around to Barry Ferguson is some crucial game at Ibrox. Ferguson was thoroughly exposed that day as you are with your argument about Gravesen who interestingly enough signed from Real Madrid if memory serves correct.
Your right about Keane’s procrastination - it cost the club money. His whole few month stint did and when your looking for people to blame when Glasgow Celtic are being priced out of the market for complete average players like Fortune and Fletcher - I’d suggest start with Martin O’Neill and include Roy Keane, Bobo Balde and other ‘legends at parkhead’.
[quote=“KIB man”]Gamble in the sense of the manager didnt want him and saw him as a threat, also that he was poison at that stage in that he wasnt getting any better and his dressing room influence was another negative. Despite all that Keane comfortably was the best midfielder in the league, watched a half fit Keane give a run around to Barry Ferguson is some crucial game at Ibrox. Ferguson was thoroughly exposed that day as you are with your argument about Gravesen who interestingly enough signed from Real Madrid if memory serves correct.
Your right about Keane’s procrastination - it cost the club money. His whole few month stint did and when your looking for people to blame when Glasgow Celtic are being priced out of the market for complete average players like Fortune and Fletcher - I’d suggest start with Martin O’Neill and include Roy Keane, Bobo Balde and other ‘legends at parkhead’.[/QUOTE]
I think most people with a knowledge of football would be aware of Gravesen having joined Celtic from Real Madrid. His reputation was made in the EPL, as I stated, having been credited as the driving force behind Everton earning a Champions League position.
Keane wasn’t actually signed above the manager’s head either - Strachan spoke positively of it at the time and also in glowing terms after his departure in terms of his attitude, mentality, good training habits and advice for young players, which he hoped would be a positive for them going forward. It was just a shame these mental attributes couldn’t make up for the fact he wasn’t up to the required standard in terms of actual football output on the park.
You also said last season that you’d never watched an SPL game so I don’t believe you would have seen the game you mention. Celtic went 21 points clear of the huns following that particular victory and Keane was no more than a cog in a professional performance. All derbies are significant but this one didn’t really have the typical edge one would expect given the gap in the title race. That was quite a good midfield on paper actually:
Lennon
Petrov_Keane
Maloney_
[quote=“KIB man”]Gamble in the sense of the manager didnt want him and saw him as a threat, also that he was poison at that stage in that he wasnt getting any better and his dressing room influence was another negative. Despite all that Keane comfortably was the best midfielder in the league, watched a half fit Keane give a run around to Barry Ferguson is some crucial game at Ibrox. Ferguson was thoroughly exposed that day as you are with your argument about Gravesen who interestingly enough signed from Real Madrid if memory serves correct.
Your right about Keane’s procrastination - it cost the club money. His whole few month stint did and when your looking for people to blame when Glasgow Celtic are being priced out of the market for complete average players like Fortune and Fletcher - I’d suggest start with Martin O’Neill and include Roy Keane, Bobo Balde and other ‘legends at parkhead’.[/QUOTE]
You’re not at your best when it comes to facts I’m afraid petal.
You’ve started off with the notion that Desmond authorised the transfer and broke the wage structure to sign him. That is, of course, factually incorrect. Keane was a well paid player at Celtic but he wasn’t close to the top earner in Celtic in the last decade so he was well within the parameters established. There were plenty of misconceptions floating around the less credible sections of the press around the transfer which may have lead to some of your misunderstanding. He was paid 20k a week at Celtic - around the same as Neil Lennon, a little less actually I believe. There were reports that Desmond was paying him privately but I have serious doubts about that, Celtic are a plc after all.
Anyway Keane was a long way from Celtic’s best player that season. He struggled to make the starting XI for most of the time he was at Celtic Park. The “crucial game at Ibrox” you refer to took place when Celtic were 18 points ahead of the huns and Keane and Maloney started because Naka and Lennon were left out. Both featured far more regularly than Keane in the side. Obviously try not to let facts get away of your crazy opinions though.
[quote=“Bandage”]I think most people with a knowledge of football would be aware of Gravesen having joined Celtic from Real Madrid. His reputation was made in the EPL, as I stated, having been credited as the driving force behind Everton earning a Champions League position.
Keane wasn’t actually signed above the manager’s head either - Strachan spoke positively of it at the time and also in glowing terms after his departure in terms of his attitude, mentality, good training habits and advice for young players, which he hoped would be a positive for them going forward. It was just a shame these mental attributes couldn’t make up for the fact he wasn’t up to the required standard in terms of actual football output on the park.
- lie 1. Strachan was hoodwinked.
You also said last season that you’d never watched an SPL game so I don’t believe you would have seen the game you mention.
lie 2 - never stated that. Dont think I watched a full one last season though.
Celtic went 21 points clear of the huns following that particular victory and Keane was no more than a cog in a professional performance. All derbies are significant but this one didn’t really have the typical edge one would expect given the gap in the title race. That was quite a good midfield on paper actually:
Lennon
Petrov_Keane
Maloney_[/QUOTE]
Lie 3 - Keane ran the game.
Rock’s statement about Desmond not paying Keane privately is bollocks. It was well known Desmond agreed to cover the extra cost of Keane. Couldnt be arsed searching the net for something to support it. Wouldnt be the first time a plc might pay someone something that they strictly shouldnt in fairness.
No, Keane didn’t run the game - you wouldn’t know because you didn’t watch it. He did take a booking for absolutely scything Dado Prso down at one stage, which laid down a marker but it was a functional victory where Celtic kept them at arm’s length after scoring early. He merely sat in and kept a decent midfield shape. He was hooked after an hour in the final derby of the season back at Celtic Park that April though. He just wasn’t up to it, unfortunately.
[quote=“KIB man”]Lie 3 - Keane ran the game.
Rock’s statement about Desmond not paying Keane privately is bollocks. It was well known Desmond agreed to cover the extra cost of Keane. Couldnt be arsed searching the net for something to support it. Wouldnt be the first time a plc might pay someone something that they strictly shouldnt in fairness.[/QUOTE]
So you accept that Keane cost the club 20k a week. Are you backtracking on your wage structure argument?
No. If Desmond was topping up his salary which he undoubtedly was - they are defacto wages.
Suppose you believed the bullshit about Keane being a Glasgow Celtic fan and how it was always his aim to play at Parkhead 
[quote=“KIB man”]No. If Desmond was topping up his salary which he undoubtedly was - they are defacto wages.
Suppose you believed the bullshit about Keane being a Glasgow Celtic fan and how it was always his aim to play at Parkhead [/QUOTE]
How exactly are they defacto wages?
a_ there’s no evidence they happened
b_ you’re suggesting Celtic broke the law to pay a player
c_ they didn’t affect Celtic’s revenue or expenditure
d_ Desmond didn’t take any money from Celtic so if he didn’t compensate himself can you explain how the club suffered from this transaction you naively believe took place.
KIB passing off made up opinions as stonewall facts. Well, I never.
[quote=“therock67”]How exactly are they defacto wages?
a_ there’s no evidence they happened
b_ you’re suggesting Celtic broke the law to pay a player
c_ they didn’t affect Celtic’s revenue or expenditure
d_ Desmond didn’t take any money from Celtic so if he didn’t compensate himself can you explain how the club suffered from this transaction you naively believe took place.[/QUOTE]
Lets just agree that I’m right and your wrong and agree to differ on some of the other points:popcorn:
I know, I Was shocked too.
“”“Undoubtedly”"" is fact now, didnt you know?
I think he’s just conceded. Again. That’s a shame.
Those that are not blind still cannot see
I’m not overly familiar with Plc law, there is a lot of accountants on this board but the global recession proves that you cant trust what advise they give you so we may aswell park that one.
Desmond as principal shareholder of the club undeniably was bumping up Keane’s salary. If you think Keane jumped from what over 100k to 20k real salary then you truly are deluded. As for taking money from the club, Desmond is as bent as a rams horn so it definitely cant be ruled out.
Keane leaving though started a trickle which suddenly turned into a full forced waterfall as manager Gordon Strachan was forced to slash costs all across the board as the true picture of the club’s financial position became apparent internally. Out went anyone of any use. Big earners - Hartson, Sutton, petrov, Maloney, Lennon - I’m sure you can add somemore were all shipped out with substandard players brought in - Mo Camara, Marc Wilson, Samaras etc etc. Martin O’Neill I’m sure was well aware of this at the time when he left considering he had tried to join Leeds previously. The club was living well beyond its means, its so called wage structure had been exposed as a sham and the club is still paying the price today.
Peter Lawell and Strachan should be applauded for this strategy which to my mind possibly saved the club from bankruptcy. They actually won the league 3 times in a row but a terminally deluded fanbase that would be up there with their neigbours in the north, Newcastle, in terms of sheer deluded self importance still hated them.
Rangers almost went to the wall last year and are far from out of the woods. If ever there is hope for north Britain football then the Glasgow Greengiants will be in a far stronger position to emerge than their only other challenger domestically.
Feel free to delete the possible legal bits from this argument particularly in relation to the moustache man and the perennial libel man.
What was that about made up, biased opinion being passed off as fact?
You really try very hard KIB man - no harm as long as you’re enjoying yourself.
[quote=“KIB man”]Those that are not blind still cannot see
I’m not overly familiar with Plc law, there is a lot of accountants on this board but the global recession proves that you cant trust what advise they give you so we may aswell park that one.
Desmond as principal shareholder of the club undeniably was bumping up Keane’s salary. If you think Keane jumped from what over 100k to 20k real salary then you truly are deluded. As for taking money from the club, Desmond is as bent as a rams horn so it definitely cant be ruled out.
Keane leaving though started a trickle which suddenly turned into a full forced waterfall as manager Gordon Strachan was forced to slash costs all across the board as the true picture of the club’s financial position became apparent internally. Out went anyone of any use. Big earners - Hartson, Sutton, petrov, Maloney, Lennon - I’m sure you can add somemore were all shipped out with substandard players brought in - Mo Camara, Marc Wilson, Samaras etc etc. Martin O’Neill I’m sure was well aware of this at the time when he left considering he had tried to join Leeds previously. The club was living well beyond its means, its so called wage structure had been exposed as a sham and the club is still paying the price today.
Peter Lawell and Strachan should be applauded for this strategy which to my mind possibly saved the club from bankruptcy. They actually won the league 3 times in a row but a terminally deluded fanbase that would be up there with their neigbours in the north, Newcastle, in terms of sheer deluded self importance still hated them.
Rangers almost went to the wall last year and are far from out of the woods. If ever there is hope for north Britain football then the Glasgow Greengiants will be in a far stronger position to emerge than their only other challenger domestically.
Feel free to delete the possible legal bits from this argument particularly in relation to the moustache man and the perennial libel man.[/QUOTE]
Your familiarity with plc law is probably on a par with your footballing knowledge I’m afraid.
Why do you think Desmond would pay Keane personally? Do you think he’s a Celtic fan? Do you think he takes a financial return from Celtic each year? Words like “undoubtedly” and “undeniably” are all very impressive coming from a man of your intellect but they don’t actually prove anything of course. They’re almost a distraction from the facts, but that wouldn’t be your game would it?
I particularly love your fourth paragraph. The opening argument is superbly constructed - you are implying that Keane joining Celtic caused a huge strain on Celtic’s finances and Keane’s departure started a waterfall which forced Strachan to cut costs. In the interests of making your points even somewhat logical could you take the trouble to clarify why Keane leaving would lead to a need for Strachan to cut costs. And the fiction doesn’t stop there. Shaun Maloney is listed among “big earners.” Shaun Maloney left Celtic for Aston Villa because he was still being paid a pittance. Surely even know you that?
I’m not sure what points you’re trying to come up with in the last couple of paragraphs. Nobody gives a shit about Lawwell and Celtic’s finances on a managerial thread. You made some innane comments about Roy Keane’s wages that you’ve failed to support and that you’ve been proven wrong on. You’ve backed that up with innane comments about the wages of other players such as Shaun Maloney just to dig yourself deeper into that hole. You’re better fun when you’re running away from TFK to be honest.
[quote=“therock67”]Your familiarity with plc law is probably on a par with your footballing knowledge I’m afraid.
Why do you think Desmond would pay Keane personally? Do you think he’s a Celtic fan? Do you think he takes a financial return from Celtic each year? Words like “undoubtedly” and “undeniably” are all very impressive coming from a man of your intellect but they don’t actually prove anything of course. They’re almost a distraction from the facts, but that wouldn’t be your game would it?
I particularly love your fourth paragraph. The opening argument is superbly constructed - you are implying that Keane joining Celtic caused a huge strain on Celtic’s finances and Keane’s departure started a waterfall which forced Strachan to cut costs. In the interests of making your points even somewhat logical could you take the trouble to clarify why Keane leaving would lead to a need for Strachan to cut costs. And the fiction doesn’t stop there. Shaun Maloney is listed among “big earners.” Shaun Maloney left Celtic for Aston Villa because he was still being paid a pittance. Surely even know you that?
I’m not sure what points you’re trying to come up with in the last couple of paragraphs. Nobody gives a shit about Lawwell and Celtic’s finances on a managerial thread. You made some innane comments about Roy Keane’s wages that you’ve failed to support and that you’ve been proven wrong on. You’ve backed that up with innane comments about the wages of other players such as Shaun Maloney just to dig yourself deeper into that hole. You’re better fun when you’re running away from TFK to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Its fair to say your level of seethingness at present is unsurpassed.