Mario Jardel.
There was a proper goalscorer. Seemed to go shit once he left Porto.
What about the English lads in the air - Shearer obviously, Les Ferdinand as well. Teddy Sheringham was pretty good in the air for a player who wasn’t all about getting into the box.
Bergkamp was useless in the air. Hi yooooooooo.
messi for me, though ronaldo is brilliant too. messis close control is just out of this world. he didnt have a particulary bad wc either. up to the germany match he was actually good(even though he didnt score). he was certainly much better than ronaldo.also, anyone that puts ashley cole or rooney in the same bracket as iniesta is surely having a laugh…
oh yeah, essien is the best central midfielder in england and even europe… he is every bit as good as roy keane ever was and was a huge loss for chelsea last season. he is twice the midfielder as fat frank (despite lampards goals) and wont let chelsea down in the big games.(ala keane) anyone that doesnt rate essien as a footballer should never post on football again…
Essien has one major flaw as he is a member of the homeland rap community
If ever there was a self serving post. Hard to know how De Jong was playing next to Kompany- with Kompany being a centre half and all. Never compared De Jong to Iniesta as anyone with a command of the English language would know. It appears that aswell as being unable to distinguish between colours, words on a page are also a step too far. You have a peculiar habit of twisting them to suit whatever agenda you are peddling. I believe De Jong is the best in the world at holding the midfield. Criticise that all you want
No attempt at muddying the waters at all. Don’t rate Essien all that highly, would rank Lampard a superior player and wouldn’t even have him up with Iniesta and them. But do whatever makes you happy
I presume that drivel is directed at me from the whimpering tones of hurt desperately hidden behind a thin veneer of rage.
Self-serving? How is a post self-serving? Did you feel my post was selfish? Did that somehow cause offence? Sincere apologies.
You will of course have seen Kompany play in midfield for Man City or is it your contention that he has never played there? Do let me know, not that there’s much to be gained either way.
I’m sorry on pulling you up on the comparison point, again sorry to be making an example of you. It is frustrating to read that you’re sticking by your guns though. Do you really believe that you didn’t compare Iniesta to De Jong in this sentence:
“Think the likes of Tevez, Rooney, De Jong, Alonso, Sneijder, Schweinsteiger, Iniesta would be a level below”
Most people would interpret that as saying that Iniesta and De Jong are of similar ability. Again do please take the trouble to correct me and let me know how that is wrong.
It’s refreshing amid all this inconsistency in your actual opinions that you’re so perfectly consistent in your stock defences. Your “twisting words” defence is a personal favourite of mine. I’ve done nothing other than quote your posts I’m afraid. That’s a pity for you because it would certainly suit your argument more if I had altered them or even taken them out of context. I’ve just quoted you verbatim though. It’s really not my fault that they don’t make much sense but I’m genuinely pleased for you that you’re able to convince yourself that it’s my twisting of your words that has you all muddled up. You poor thing.
I might just make the point, finally, in the interests of clarity that I don’t have an agenda. I don’t think De Jong is the best defensive midfielder in the world. I don’t think he’s anywhere near as good as Schweinsteiger or Iniesta. Nor do I think he is better than Essien. In fact I find that opinion a touch humorous if the truth be told. And I think your efforts to defend the opinion (such as claiming you didn’t and can’t compare Iniesta to De Jong and the introduction of Lampard into the debate) a little humorous too.
Forgive me. It’s just a little funny to read your inane ramblings.
Oh and the line about colours and words - a touch forced.
Going from De Jong partnered the likes of Kompany and Ireland to now - are you saying Kompany never played at centre midfield :rolleyes: . Why pick Iniesta out - you could also have claimed that I put Drogba, Cole etc up there. Just put up top players that I felt were among the best in their respective positions in world football. On the third level of the pyramid if you like. Of course it is all subjective - was actually a decent debate there for a while.
I really couldnt be bothered responding to the rest of the muck, you may aswell copy and paste from any debate you get into save yourself from typing. The only tone I get is a false sense of superiority and the inability to debate on any matter. Its hardly new at this stage so rage and hurt dont really come into it. You dont add humour, originality, insight to any debate as far as I can see. Peddling the same bullshit though and adding nothing but a sense of trying whatever it takes to prove yourself right.
Thought the line about the colours and words was well put myself.
Sorry you may have misunderstood. I know you thought the line was well put. I’m just helpfully pointing out that it was a touch forced and doesn’t really read right. You don’t generally “distinguish” between words as you’re reading them. It was the nub of an idea for a gag, just poorly executed.
Anyway you’ve completely changed your mind on the main point which is good to see. Of course you did compare De Jong with Iniesta (and with Cole and Drogba et al). It wasn’t that big a deal to admit that surely. I’m sure it didn’t hurt.
So, why pick Iniesta out? Because he’s so obviously a superior player to De Jong that I find it funny you’d compare them. Others picked out Essien because he’s so obviously not inferior to De Jong that it’s also funny.
That’s all. As NCC would advise: cool the jets. They’re only opinions. Yours are just wrong.
Rooney is pretty good in the air, scored a host of goals with his head last year. Something he has improved upon.
Robbie Keane inability to head the ball is a shocking indictment of him as a professional footballer.
A host of good defenders in the air in the EPL which is handy as the ball spends a lot of time there. Collins and Dunne even at Villa are rarely beaten. Terry, Vidic, Hangleland - you could name any amount of them. Adams, McGrath etc back in the day. Two in particular though are shit - Kolo Toure and Gallas. Our new recruit Clark has a bit to go in this department too.
where is the fake term of enderment - bringing another poster into your argument is par for the course but no honey?
Never compared De Jong with Iniesta. I put them on the same level. Compared Xavi to Iniesta all right. Would still rank De Jong as the best defensive midfielder in the world despite your attempts to compare him to players who dont play in that position.
We still dont know where you would rank players but the internet would probably freeze over if you attempted to post something constructive. Cheers for the gag execution bit though I still think the line reads pretty well on second glance.
Christ almighty. I actually think you’re serious too.
Can we just have one thread where Rocko and KIB Man talk with all this long meandering shite? It’ll save the rest of us having to read it and it’ll stop both of you clogging up the board.
Dunph, can you sort this out please?
Cheers in advance.
i have to say im with rocko on this one. kib did say that de jong and iniesta are of the same level!! the funniest thing is that he is serious… its also amusing that he thinks de jong is even half the player essien is…
ah the old muldoon curse- over emphasising the role of the water carrier- essien may be better than de jong but only brits & muldoons over analyse this & give a flying fuck - the rest of us talk about who is the best treq or regista
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Messi > ronaldo[/QUOTE]
Nothing I love more than statisticians analysing football for me.
FOAD.
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It reads like a post from our own Manual Zelaya.
The days when Rocko and Kib used write essays to each other referring to the other as “honey” and the like.
Thank fuck they’re over.
Messi is the best guys !!!