Munster, celtic league, heineken cup, general and tag rugby thread šŸ

Poor enough game that but I suppose none of that matters too much. Thought Munster deserved the win just for bringing that bit more control to proceedings. Didnā€™t think the half backs had great games for either team which meant it was scrappy enough but Munster had the composure to bring it in tight when they needed to and they dominated the back row fight.

Hurley had a nightmare at full back but the rest of the backs acquitted themselves quite well. Howlett put in some decent chases and was unlucky with the timing of a couple of offloads - heā€™s always looking for a pass and heā€™ll score a shed load more if his inside backs can spot his runs earlier. Dowling was excellent in everything he did. As usual he went forward every time he got his hands on the ball and never lost it once. Centres defended well and got plenty of yards just from straightforward carries - slippy surface meant not many of the sidesteps came off but they did well to contain Jauzion after he started very well.

Rog wasnā€™t great with his kicking out of hand but his overall gameplan wasnā€™t bad, just didnā€™t quite execute it well enough. Oā€™Leary was mixed enough. Passing was slow enough and his kicking was inconsistent. Put in a cracking hit to win a scrum for Munster that created the try though which justified his inclusion alone.

Up front was where the battles were won. Props did excellently at scrum time and carried lots of ball. Horan gets criticised for popping up on the wing all the time but at least heā€™d the awareness to stand there and pick off Ellisadeā€™s cross kick. Flanneryā€™s throwing in was excellent and he wasnā€™t shy about carrying ball either. Oā€™Callaghan was solid enough but dwarfed by Oā€™Connell alongside him who was sensational in the second half. He turned over some amount of ball and carried it excellently and won all his lineouts. Some performance.

Back row just turned the screw on Toulouse. Hard to pick between them because they all had huge games in defence and in attack. Quinlanā€™s maturity means he plays just the right side of the referee these days and wins lots of ball and penalties as a result. Wallace made plenty of hard yards as he always does and kept it up to the bitter end. Leamy was probably the quietest of the three but scored a try and could have had another which isnā€™t a bad return at all.

dont think i can add anymore to what you have said rockā€¦spot onā€¦thought the scrum was immense as wellā€¦twas fair tight for a finish up but i expected whoever to win it win by 3 at the mostā€¦toulouse wanted it tightā€¦the 3 kiwis in my opinion are a huge reason we won it this year the intellegence and rugby playing ability they have brought to the team is hugeā€¦last year i would have given my right arm for trevor halstead to stay just shows you how quick things changeā€¦

hard to know where munster go from hereā€¦the right coach is vitalā€¦dont think bradley is the manā€¦we need someone who understands the munster ethos as the next few years is going to see a big changing of the guard in munsterā€¦

dan carter, are you trying out for one of the NFL teams at spring training camp?

Two ā€œTFK exclusivesā€ for yeā€¦

was talking to a former munster player from out my way this evening and he informs me that it looks like tony mcgahan is the players choice to take over from kidney and looks to be first choice nowā€¦he also informed me that a tentative approach was made to jerry collins a week or two ago and that he is very interested about a move to munsterā€¦got a release from his new zealand contract over the weekendā€¦before lads start mouthing off about foriegn players he would be an amazing signing for munster(let alone any team)

[quote=ā€œThe Pukeā€]Two ā€œTFK exclusivesā€ for yeā€¦

was talking to a former munster player from out my way this evening and he informs me that it looks like tony mcgahan is the players choice to take over from kidney and looks to be first choice nowā€¦he also informed me that a tentative approach was made to jerry collins a week or two ago and that he is very interested about a move to munsterā€¦got a release from his new zealand contract over the weekendā€¦before lads start mouthing off about foriegn players he would be an amazing signing for munster(let alone any team)[/quote]

McGahan seems to be getting a lot of support, and I would imagine the support will be focussed as Bradley is the other name being touted.
Hard to see Collins here, but I would have said that about Howlett and Cullen as well.

McGahan has certainly got himself into a cracking situation - he could end up in the Munster job or the Irish setup which is a speedy progression through the ranks since he came to Ireland. Obviously heā€™s a key man in the Munster setup but if heā€™s that important Kidney will make a big play for him.

Bradleyā€™s not in the best position in the world to be doing interviews with his trip down to NZ and Australia but if he does well there then it would look ridiculous if Munster looked elsewhere.

Back in the land of the living now after a hectic fortnight of work and flights and jet lag and booze. Sat in front of the tv like a zombie all day yesterday but back in the game now. Still havent seen a replay of the game in full as my digi recorder fooked up, only read last sunday/monday papers today so only just caught up with reaction etc.

Firstly I can understand exactly what the players meant when they said they enjoyed this victory more, so did I. 2006 was an unbelieveable day for so many reasons but it was the Monday after before I could say that I actually enjoyed the victory such was the nerves beforehand and the absolute overwhelming sense of relief afterwards, we were like zombies after that game and reality didnt set in for a few days. This time it was different because the monkey was off Munsters back and this was going to be an ultimate test, if we had lost I would have been gutted but in all honesty there is no shame in losing to Toulouse at any stage considering there record in winning 3 finals and losing the 4th by a freak of nature. I was quietly confident before game, Toulouse have not been themselves for a while, were unimpressive through the competition to date and whilst they did well v Irish in the semis Cardiff got far closer to them than they should have in the quarters. When you see Toulouse picking there team in response to yours its a good sign, they sacrificed a bit including Bouliho in back row to counteract our lineout, ultimately it didnt pay off.

Team were excellent on the day, I did not think we could win with ROG having a 6/10 day but he kicked his kicks I guess and it was the difference in the end. My MOTM was O Connell, led by example and got through trojan work, lineout was exceptional, made the right calls at the right time and robbed a few of theres, cant ask for more than that.

Where is Hayes getting this indian summer from? Has scrummaged better this season than ever before, a combination of Pucirella coaching and a viable competitor in Buckley for the first time in his career maybe, theres another season (at least) in Hayes yet.

The centres were excellent and if a few offloads had come off it would have been a comfortable win.

The whinging I cannot fooking believe. As I said I havent seen game again but for the middle 40 mins after they puffed themselves out we played all the rugby, ROG attempted to put a bit of width on it regularly and we were inches away from making offloads stick and getting clear linebreaks. If I may suggest some alternative reasons Toulouse lost

  • Made fook all effort to run around Munster apart from couple of broken plays i.e. there try
  • Have gone virtually the whole season without an actual no 10, JBE is a good scrum half, that is a world away from being an outhalf with the quality to play at that level. Im not sure what happened but they had gafffie du tiot earlier on in the season whether he got injured our not I dont know but you can add 2 players after the pool stage so there was an opportunity for them to pick someone upā€¦i.e get michelak back from SA where he wasnt a regualr starter
    -why did they try to play like Munster (of 2006!), they booted it in the air and looked for Munster to make mistakes and kick there scores off that, they deserted there traditional game and they did not look comfortable trying to play such a structured game
  • discipline was poor, lippy, narky dig from pelous etc, Munsters dicilpline was exscellent in contrast.

Toulouse have a valid point about the ref, knowing the ref is a huge advantage in rugby such is the importance of interpretation of the rules. It was ridiculous that Owens reffed munster 5 times in a row, more ridiculous that the stupid fooker cant speak french, surely if you knew you were a top class referee it would a great way to get ahead, just get a few french lessons!!! Ultimately I dont think Owens decisions changed the game one way or another.

Some laugh all the moaning about Munster killing the game for the last 20 minutes! If they had played ball and lost the game the same people would be out crying chokers, all you had to do was control it for last bit of game etc!! As for Stephen Jones, if it were England or Wasps or Leiscter who had done it it would have been seen as the greatest tactical masterstroke in history. As a professional team Im sure Toulouse could/should have figured out a way around it, its not like its the fiorst time the tactic has been used FFS. One way out would have been allow the initial ballcarrier and his support break the tackle as they were geared up to make a yard and hit the deck, the defence could then have blown over the ball carrier (forget the ball) and just stopped the wave of support coming, ball carrier and support then left like fookin plebs lying on the ball with defenders both sides. Difficult to explain that having read it again but it is a tactic I saw used to great effect in the schools cup this year where the pick and jam is the prefered weapon of choice once most teams get 3-0 upā€¦

Anyways great great day, nobody can question this victory (except of course on a 5 page bitch fest on AFR!!) where we got out of the toughest group in HEC history and cemented our place at the top of the seedings for next year. Wasps have franked our form nicely by winning the GP yesterday and Clermont finished top of the Top 14 as well and are nicely placed with def home semi final. Only blsmish on the season was double defeat to Leinster but you know what, if I was given that scenario at start of this or any other season I would bite the hand that offered it.

Randomly

  • Think Mcgahon wil lget the job unless there is some serious politicking going on, could be an issue in that Bradley might have set his heart on Munster and if that is the case it will be very very hard for him to go back to Connacht. I wouldnt like to see him lost to the Irish system either because I think he has something to offer just hasnt been helped by the situation out west. Connacht need a change as much as he does. He might come in as backs coach with Mcgahon maybe. Unless we beat NZ and Oz then we may well be stuck with him at the top! Unless (big fooking unless, clutching at straws unless) Kidney brings him on board the Irish set up. Know some lads that played under him at Ireland U21s and with Con and they speak highly of him, but not as the main man in any set up.

  • Summer tour has now gotten v interesting, appears we had a decent win against the Baa Baas, particulalry if you look at the shambles the English second string were today. Not inconceivable that Munster 1-8 will start next saturday but that would be incredibly harsh on Heaslip IMHO who is not far off Irish player of the season. Leamy is a sqaure peg in the no 8 hole so he should lose out, as much as it pains me to say it after his excellent season/final/general presence on the pitch. Wil be a big ask of the Kiwis to adapt back to the ā€˜oldā€™ rules in a few weeks and it will be there first match with them in 12 months, that is going to be a massive massive advantage to Ireland. Also they are in a bit of a state of flux at the moment with players deserting at a rate of knots, losing the calibre player thay have cannot be good regardless of the strenght in depth. If the crusaders players dont start next saturday it wil be an outstanding chance to get our first victory over the All Blacks. Blind faith has led me down some dodgy routes before so Im nbot going to go all out and predict a win!!

  • Saw the Cipriani injury today, nasty, get well sone to the lad, an absolute joy to watch and as Iv said before if he trains on he will be the scourge of ireland for many many years to come. He could be absolutely anything with a few years expereince and I really hope he comes back from this with his pace and his bottle intact, unfortunately Jonny W was never the same player after the injuries so heres hoping wont be a seriosuly unfortunate double for english no 10s. Would love to see him playing at 12 outside ROG in SA next year, if he is fit and well he will be 10 though and ROG 21!

  • If anyone has a copy of the match or can fgure out where i can download it off net can you let me know, would love to see build up and the post match etc, got bits and pieces off RTE website but they dont seem to have the actual match.

Yeah bang on. Obviously it didnā€™t make for a particularly expansive last 15 minutes but Toulouse are as much to blame as Munster. They didnā€™t seem to bother competing for the ball at all - they were happy to just lie in and make their tackles in and around the gainline. Against a pack in control you have to sacrifice one thing - either yards or the ball. With time running out they needed to take a chance on coughing up a few points by really committing themselves to blowing out all the support at a couple of rucks. They didnā€™t bother though.

Was talking to Puke about this last week. I had recorded the match alright on my PC but seem to have fecked up the file and canā€™t get it to work anymore. Iā€™ll have a play around with it today but looks like itā€™s a write-off.

[quote=ā€œanna kā€]Hows the man?

You spelt the word ā€œonā€ incorrectly[/quote]

Thanks ya, back on the game, can hardly walk to day from the rooting

[quote=ā€œtherock67ā€]Yeah bang on. Obviously it didnā€™t make for a particularly expansive last 15 minutes but Toulouse are as much to blame as Munster. They didnā€™t seem to bother competing for the ball at all - they were happy to just lie in and make their tackles in and around the gainline. Against a pack in control you have to sacrifice one thing - either yards or the ball. With time running out they needed to take a chance on coughing up a few points by really committing themselves to blowing out all the support at a couple of rucks. They didnā€™t bother though.

Was talking to Puke about this last week. I had recorded the match alright on my PC but seem to have fecked up the file and canā€™t get it to work anymore.
Iā€™ll have a play around with it today but looks like itā€™s a write-off.[/quote]

Was talking to a forward expert mate of mine last night about this situation and what he would suggest Toulouse had a done. he said he couldnt beleive one of em didnt throw themselves on the ground and get under the ball and man, that way if carrier doesnt hit ground it is a scrum and they could have attacked thatā€¦

Plan B would have been for someone to go in a mile offside and smash the shit out of the ball carrier and give away the penalty and make Munster start all over again from there own half, a lot more difficult to play that game near your own line where a mistake can be punished so quickly

The one thing he kept emphaising was that Toulouse didnt die with there boots on i.e. they rolled over and took it and pissed and moaned as if there was no way they could have done anythingā€¦If Toulouse had done that to Munster he reckons munster would have finished with 12 men that Leamy Quinlan and DOC would have committed such an array of offences and foul play to get the ball back in open play!!

Any joy with the fileā€¦have you turned the computer off and back on??

Munster appoint McGahan as coach

Munster have announced that Tony McGahan will succeed Declan Kidney as coach of the Heineken Cup champions.

McGahan is currently on holiday in his native Australia, and will take up his new position on 1 July after he returns.

The appointment had been ratified by the IRFU.

Speaking from Sydney, McGahan said: 'I am delighted to be chosen as the next Munster Director of Coaching.

'It is a privilege and a great honour to be asked to lead one of the top clubs and biggest brand names in world rugby.

'Having been involved with Munster for the past three seasons I fully realise what the expectations of all Munster supporters are.

'With a solid group of senior players at my disposal, plus an exciting batch of young players coming through, a talented management group and strong administration, I hope to continue and fulfil those expectations in the short and long term.

ā€˜I am looking forward to the challenges ahead, both in Magners League and Heineken Cup competitions. I have enjoyed my time working under Declan Kidney and would like to wish him all the very best in his role with the national side.ā€™

Commenting on the development, Munster chief executive Garrett Fitzgerald said: 'I am very pleased that the process to fill the position has been finalised and done so in such an expedient manner.

'Tony McGahan has been involved with us for the past number of years, a period that saw him play an integral part in our Heineken Cup success and consistency in the Magners League.

ā€˜In that time he has displayed all the qualities that we believe are required to keep Munster to the forefront and we wish him well in the challenging times that lie ahead.ā€™

The province confirmed that no moves to fill the forwards coach vacancy until McGahan has been installed.

Good appointment. McGahan had to be kept on to keep some form of continuity there.

Feel for Bradley a bit, where to now for him?

Me too. Heā€™ll have to look across the pond now Iā€™d say.

i always felt that mcgahan was the man for the job knows the players and has their respect also knows the munster ethos/mentality and how to keep them motivatedā€¦interested to see who he brings into the backroom team with williams gone and himself moving upā€¦niall o donovan possiblyā€¦

i think its the right callā€¦leicster looked like they pulled a master stroke getting in loffreda but it took him too long to understand leicster and their tradition(granted he did get them to a premiership final) and has been sacked

hes still connacht coach so its not like hes dole bound.

hel get a job handy enough, cant see there would be a mad scramble for him across the water as a head coach.

backs coach at munster maybe

I know that but itā€™s obvious he wants to move on.

[quote=ā€œdancarterā€]hes still connacht coach so its not like hes dole bound.

hel get a job handy enough, cant see there would be a mad scramble for him across the water as a head coach.

backs coach at munster maybe[/quote]

He needs a change Dan, as do Connacht. Iā€™d like to see him taken into another set up, but after being a manager would be be happy to move to backs coach? I think he should if for no other reason than to get him away from Connacht where he and they have gone stale.

Oh agreed 100% he will leave, when its in the head to go its hard to go back.

Connacht could really do with a change as well, some very promising players gone there for next season and would be a shame for them to just fall into the circle of defeat they are currently in

Elwood for Connacht then?

By the way, 3 Aussie Coaches over the provinces now, I thought we were meant to be developping Irish coaching talent?

[quote=ā€œmyboyblueā€]Elwood for Connacht then?

By the way, 3 Aussie Coaches over the provinces now, I thought we were meant to be developping Irish coaching talent?[/quote]

Elwood ya even watching the U20s he seems to have done a good job, the fact that they were thorttled by the kiwis and beaten by arg was a physical thing more than anything from what i sawā€¦would have the respect of the players etc big ask though but starting from a low ebb

Would be no harm stick niall o donovan up there with him to look after forwards and a bit of presence

yep the 3 aussie coaches thing is disapointing, no doubt mcgahen is right man for the job. I think i said somoewhere on this thread I would have taken the bullet for Munster for the greater good and given bradley the job,

him being backs coach isnt the most off the wall suggestion