Munster Rugby

[Kyle]

A private school that very few dockers or bin men could send their kids to

[cowpat]

I read there recently that Bandon Grammar are flying in a French fella to coach the schools team. He also manages the Spanish women’s national rugby team and managed some top 14 team as well in France. Flying in a fella to manage a f*cking SCHOOL team…

[myboyblue]

@cowpat

I read there recently that Bandon Grammar are flying in a French fella to coach the schools team. He also manages the Spanish women’s national rugby team and managed some top 14 team as well in France. Flying in a fella to manage a f*cking SCHOOL team…

Should they ferry him in?

[cowpat]

In theory, he could. I guess he probably took the ferry to Cork and bunked up for the year in Bandon. It’s a joke the way it is gone. Can they not hire a coach from Munster ffs. It’s supposed to be a hobby in school.

[myboyblue]

@cowpat

In theory, he could. I guess he probably took the ferry to Cork and bunked up for the year in Bandon. It’s a joke the way it is gone. Can they not hire a coach from Munster ffs. It’s supposed to be a hobby in school.

Those protestants, up to no good again.

[Tim_Riggins]

You look at the Munster squad and the holes are obvious. These are the home produced internationals at the moment.

John Ryan - 37 (24 caps)

Niall Scannell - 34 (20 caps)

Jack O’Donoghue - 31 (2 caps)

Fineeen Wycherly - 29 (1 cap)

Shane Daly - 29 (2 caps)

Calvin Nash - 28 (13 caps)

Gavin Coombes - 28 (2 caps)

Jack Crowley - 26 (35 caps)

Tom Ahern - 26 (2 caps)

Craig Casey - 26 (28 caps)

Alex Kendellan - 25 (1 cap)

Edwin Edogbo - 24 (1 cap)

If we take the players “in their prime” (at 27 or so), it is really poor.

Not a single player with 50 caps and not a single Lion.

There is a degree of luck to having that quality but I think it comes from a lack of overall production. Munster should be producing 1 to 1.5 internationals a season, so the squad has at least 18 home produced ones. They are at 5-6 players short there and mostly in the prime years.

Where Munster were unlucky was the impact of NIQs (Stander retiring early and the Kleyn thing) but the fundamental issue goes back a decade. Blaming it on getting Leinster produced players in recent years (Beirne, Loughman, Jager, Farrell right now) is hilarious. Munster have done very well out of that pipeline consistently for a decade now.

[gilgamboa]

@Kyle

I think if Munster wants to survive it needs to leave Limerick. Can still play the odd game there but Cork is the natural home of rubby in Munster

Agreed. Nobody wants to go to limerick

[gilgamboa]

@neilld

We’ve just cut 100 staff mate, there’s more money than ever.

Incorrect. There will be redundancies from a pool of 100 staff

[Kyle]

Too working class for rubby people

[gilgamboa]

@Tim_Riggins

The Munster squad lacks self developed players between 28 to 35

Diarmuod Barron, Gav Coombes, Shane Daly, JJ, Nash, Jack O d, Niall scannell, Wycherley x 2

Off top of my head…plenty there but v few of them are better than URC standard

[gilgamboa]

@cowpat

read there recently that Bandon Grammar are flying in a French fella to coach the schools team. He also manages the Spanish women’s national rugby team and managed some top 14 team as well in France. Flying in a fella to manage a f*cking SCHOOL team

Bit more to it than that now tbf

[jellyfish]

@Tim_Riggins

Blaming it on getting Leinster produced players in recent years (Beirne, Loughman, Jager, Farrell right now) is hilarious. Munster have done very well out of that pipeline consistently for a decade now.

That’s a good point. Leinster being successful shouldn’t stop Munster from producing their own players and Munster have done very well with all the players they have got from the Leinster system.

[gilgamboa]

@jellyfish

Munster have done very well with all the players they have got from the Leinster system

Like who?

Beirne and Farrell been v good but they came via other clubs

Loughman a good signing from Leinster

Milne and Lee Barron remain tbc on impact

[glasagusban]

Conway. Carbery didn’t work out great. Must be others. The Leinster lads forget that they did equally well with players signed from the Munster system for a good time.

[Tim_Riggins]

Munster have signed over 60 Leinster players ranging from post school leavers to experienced internationals over the last decade.

The flow is very pronounced and ongoing.

I don’t think anyone from Leinster has denied the impact of the historical signings from Munster (there were players going the other way at the time too). I also don’t think that anyone has an issue with that flow continuing either, it makes complete sense given the population difference, for one.

What’s a bit ridiculous is to be disparaging of the players as @BruidheanChaorthainn is.

[Tim_Riggins]

Which is a very poor crop of players. I’ve posted the internationals- the standouts are Niall Scannell and John Ryan from the 27+ age range.

To look at it another way, there’s only about 130 caps in that Munster squad of homegrown players….there’s no way to spin that as anything but dire.

[Tim_Riggins]

But that’s neither here nor there. They are Leinster produced talents that got redirected elsewhere.

Same is happening with other provinces.

If you added that existing Leinster pool to Munster x 2 (which I’d argue is close to what Munster are missing from their home grown players), you’d have a pretty good squad. We’re talking about a Lion and three other internationals. Ideally you’d still want another couple of home grown internationals and then likely a sprinkling of overseas class on top of that.

[BruidheanChaorthainn]

Munster produced loads of good players they just fall behind and away from the pro circles because they can’t make the Irish under 20s and compete with the private school kids.

[BruidheanChaorthainn]

@Tim_Riggins

But that’s neither here nor there. They are Leinster produced talents that got redirected elsewhere.

Same is happening with other provinces.

If you added that existing Leinster pool to Munster x 2 (which I’d argue is close to what Munster are missing from their home grown players), you’d have a pretty good squad. We’re talking about a Lion and three other internationals. Ideally you’d still want another couple of home grown internationals and then likely a sprinkling of overseas class on top of that.

Leinster are the Man City of rugby. They’ve rigged everything in their favour with private funding and even got the irfu to pay their best adult players to fund the signings of the likes of Synman and Barrett who clearly don’t give a fuck.

[neilld]

3 in 5 Leinster academy players can either play an expensive musical instrument such as the cello, code or lease an aeroplane. It’s very hard for our lads to compete with that kind of cultural capital.