Munster Rugby

Twenty years ago when rugby was close to its peak in popularity the irfu should have ensured everyone from the age of 12-18 had a similar chance of making it if you u were good enough.

They didn’t do that. They done the very opposite. The private schools were allowed run riot and the club produced players simply couldn’t compete.

Limerick hurlers set up an academy over 15 years ago. What percentage of the Limerick starting 15 is made up of lads who came through that system?

It’s the same thing in every sport. Money decides the results bar in crazy situations like man united or Barcelona and the odd miracle like a Leicester.

Nobody is going to compete with those top Leinster schools and they’ll continue to be the dominant producer of players in Ireland.

Ya was only looking at who is in squad now.

Carvery was a good signing as well just a bit unlucky with injuries

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Id love to see that list.

Objective evidence does not support this.

In the age bracket I referred to, Munster did not produce enough Ireland Under 20s.

That has increased though in recent years and the player output has improved.

Again this comes back to the rebuilding Thomond era. Wining and dining 17 year old Leinster schoolboys rather than focusing on the backyard. The worst thing is that the “missing generation” is largely the one that were children and early teens when Munster were at their most successful.

Leinster are producing gillions of players, why can’t we just buy players from anywhere and be a top club?Why do I have to watch this collection of Ham and Eggers just because they’re from Munster? This is pro sport baby.

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Yes because Tim because they’ve already gone though the
Privately funded system in Leinster.

The odds of anybody from Munster making the Irish 20s is slim.

It’s like turning up in Wimbledon with a wooden racket.

Munster is a hurling and soccer strong hold. Rubby is a very small pool of the Munster population. They simply have to bring in lots of outside talent to be competitive

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This is it, they’re not going to unearth Paul O’Connell or Eddie Halvey again. That was from a time when the AIL was the main show in town. There’s an audience there if you put a good team on the field, but they’re not going to be local guys unless they’re exceptional like the Edogbos, Gleeson, Crowley or Casey.

I’m not even sure have Young Munster a 20s team depending on the year. How are you supposed to compete against pro sports teams?

They fucked the AIL for pro sports…
Why aren’t the provincial B teams / development squads playing in the AIL? A rising tide lifts all boats…

The ones that you’d hear of playing don’t do a whole pile very often.

This isn’t born out in this years twenties team.

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Academies are fine but you need proper pathways outside the cabal of Leinster private schools who dont have kids competing against other sports.

Bridging the gap between AIL and pro is a no brainer. Having a lad play constantly in AIL at 20-21-22 before getting your claws into him at 22/23 at pro level. Most academy lads are being discarded at 20 and never getting a look in again.

Most players in NFL aren’t going pro until 22 on average … they’re semi pro in college… thats the model , with AIL as your college

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One swallow doesn’t make a summer.

You’ll get the odd generation or possibly Leinster making the odd mistake which they tend not or a combo of both.

I’d look at it over a ten year period.

They need to get some money behind Young Munster, try and get them competing to win it out with Con and the Dublin teams. Evan O’Connell doesn’t even play with them right now which I don’t get.

It wouldn’t cost a whole pile to have a clatter of young lads at Con, Munsters, Garryowen… Munster continue to provide nutrition and supplements, access to gym and some travel money.

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Like the ten year period where Munster didn’t produce any players? Anyway it’s good that Munster have gotten their act together and are producing players again.

Munster have had 6 to 7 players (out of 30) on the last couple of Ireland 20s squad that won the Championship and reached the World Cup final.

That’s about right relative to population. Ideally 2 to 2.5 become players for Munster and 1 to 1.5 become full internationals.

The issue was 2011 (for example), where Munster had just 2 players.

Munster had pots of money then, just chose to spend their money elsewhere.

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Actually yeah tbf it’s not that high, probably closer to 50 who’ve been at Academy or First Team level.

They quickly add up though when you go from the current ones of Beirne, Milne, Barron, Loughman, Jager, Patterson, Farrell and Smith in the first team squad alone. Even Sean O’Brien grew up in the Leinster clubs system, before joining Connacht. The Wycherleys were also in the Leinster schools system, although I accept they’re from Munster and joined Roscrea late, more so that Munster have benefited from the Leinster “ecosystem”.

Yerrah that was almost 10 years ago. 100k between the school and junior club below

I read about this recently in The Examiner