Munster Senior Hurling Championship 2023 (Part 1)

There isn’t anyone.

That is the problem. A few of this years U20’s were called in for a finish this year but none of them are really rated. Maybe Sean Kenneally from Moneygall is the pick of them.

This years Harty Cup final was a real eye opener for a lot of Tipp people as to how bad things were. Nobody could put the ball over the bar as Cashel edged out Thurles in an awful game 0-12 to 0-11.

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Winning U20 panel in 2019…

Aaron Browne; Conor McCarthy, Eoghan Connolly, Craig Morgan; Niall Heffernan, Paddy Cadell, Bryan O’Mara; Ciaran Connolly, Jerome Cahill; Gearoid O’Connor, Jake Morris, Johnny Ryan; Andrew Ormond, Billy Seymour, Conor Bowe. Subs: Sean Hayes, Kian O’Kelly, Joe Fogarty, Cathal Bourke, Michael Purcell.

So, we’ve seen Morgan, Connolly, Cadell, O’Mara, GOC, Morris, Johnny Ryan, Bowe.

What other young forwards are viable or worth looking at from recent U20’s?

You would know far better on that stuff than me. What do you think will be the shape of the Tipperary championship team in 2024?

Rhys Shelley [24]

Cathal Barrett [31]
Rónan Maher [29]
Craig Morgan [25]

Séamus Kennedy [31]
Bryan O’Mara [25]
Johnny Ryan [24]

Conor Stakelum [26]
Alan Tynan [27]

Michael Breen [30]
Gearóid O’Connor [24]
Conor Bowe [24]

Jake Morris [25]
Mark Kehoe [26]
Andrew Ormond [24]

Paddy Cadell [25], Joe Fogarty [24], Jason Forde [31], Brian McGrath [26] and John McGrath [30] also in mix, presumably.

I am probably missing co-ordinates?

Connolly hopefully in the mix at MF so you could possibly put Tynan WF instead of Breen

Ciarán Connolly? Yes, forgot him.

Would CS be a better wing forward than AT?

Possibly

Barry Heffernan will be there too hopefully and Forde will still be starting.

Its not even a young team when you look at it.

You could interchange a few of your subs there and it would be much of a muchness.

Last year was easier to accept as the whole thing was a shit show from the start but this year everyone committed and got fit and yet it still turned to shit.

JF is an excellent hurler, as everyone recognizes, but not an excellent competitor when it counts. I doubt he will change at 30 going 31.

BH should be in the mix, alright.

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Tipp’s quality reflects how shite the club championship has been the last few years.

Yesterday was my first time seeing Tipperary in the Championship this year. I didn’t see any of their 3 games in the mini blitz that were hidden behind the paywall and I was out the afternoon they played Limerick. I couldn’t believe how bad they were last night. They had that same dead on their feet, overtrained look that Waterford had last year. Granted the talent pool and supply lines are shallow at the moment but Cahill is not the managerial Messiah that plenty seem to think he is.

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You haven’t missed much.

The Munster Hurling Round Robin blitz generated a lot of hype but the quality was very poor. The fact Tipp stumbled their way through it speaks volumes.

Cahill has some good attributes as a manager but he wouldn’t have ‘it’ like Sheedy does. You get the sense that the players dont really know where they stand with him. You’d hear some great anecdotes about how he can flip over little things. One player turning up wearing pink shorts to training being a classic of this genre.

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Bring back Bonnar

At the time, I would have said that Morris, Cahill & Ormond were the three best forwards on that team. And Seymour was some goalscorer.

I was surprised Ormond never made it.

You’d have to feel for Tipperary - they are at least a half decade away from competing for all irelands

Things have to get worse before they get better.

They are still in recovery since Kyle Hayes ran the length of the field

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Only 6 seasons left in this decade. Pressure is mounting.

Given the diminishing returns over time from Cahill in Waterford it doesn’t look great for Tipp. Another pandemic might be their best bet.

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Its been well flagged in Tipp that that Under 20 championship in 2019 was the worst underage competition of all time.

Tipp won it pulling up scoring seven (7) goals against some poor misfortunes from Wexford in the Semi Final and had around 4 goals scored after 5 minutes in the Final

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Tipperary have generally had a knack of getting one on the board early in a decade to get that particular monkey off their back - 1950, 1961, 1971, 1991, 2001, 2010.

The 1980’s was an outlier in that regard, only getting there in the last chance saloon in 1989. They were coming from about 1984 onwards though with a conveyor belt of talent and after 1987 it was only around the corner. Can’t see them winning one anytime soon in this decade as things stand at the moment.

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Had Limerick many over 30 starting for the Munster final?

Quaid, hannon, mulcahy, Morrissey, Reidy 30 and older.

Byrnes, hegarty, O’Donoghue all 29 this year.

Donovan, m Casey, r English 28 this year.