[quote=âSidney, post: 769670, member: 183â]Hayley McQueen asks Paul Walsh: âwhich name springs to mind for you as a successor?â
âOh well itâs got to the be the treble in 1999 innit? Barcelona, that night, Sheringham and Solskjaer, thatâs got to be the stand out.â[/quote]
[quote=âBandage, post: 769717, member: 9â]One Barcelona side was managed by Rijkaard and played an Ajax style 4-3-3.
The other was managed by Guardiola and was quite different tactically with Messi playing inside and it was also pretty lopsided and flexible compared to what went before it with Messi drifting to create overloads.
But you think a comparison of a club with two different managers, deploying considerably different tactics is valid. Would you similarly claim itâs the same achievement to beat Vilanovaâs Barca this year as it was to defeat Guardiolaâs side in their prime?
You would in your fuck. You made a retarded point and you should withdraw it or slither away and say no more about it.[/quote]
so by your logic Cruyffâs influence is not on these Barcaâs teams because he hasnât been manager for an age? fook off you obnoxious clownâŚ
Alex Ferguson has retired to watch horses running around fields. Thatâs what Jim Bolger does all the time. You canât retire from watching horses running around fields.
Under your pitiful argument, it follows that a coach coming up against Bayern next year should set out to combat Juupâs tactics rather than what Pep has them doing. Yet youâre jeering me. Christ almighty.
If Heynckes wins as many Champions Leagues as Ferguson despite managing inferior clubs for most of his career, and only limited opportunities to manage clubs with chances of wining the tournament, then yes I would say Heynckes has been a better manager at that level.
Thatâs a blanket statement detracting from the fact that you made earlier. You talk about Rijkaardâs Barcelona were like they were the all dominant side Guardiolaâs Barcelona were, then you tried to reference a Champions League victory two years beforehand - ignoring the fact that there were big problems in the dressing room - the likes of Ronaldinho and Deco lost their professionalism, Etoâo and Rijkaard were openly feuding. Then thereâs the point Bandage brought up about different managers and systems.
I quite enjoyed Barcelona under Rijkaard - they were very expressive and seemed to empower their flair players. Barcelona under Guardiola were much more cautious and put a massive emphasis on possession, cohesive pressing and fitness.
Rijkaard had Iniesta and Xavi on the bench in the Champions League final. Giuly and Edmilson were selected ahead of them. That was a 26 year-old Xavi. Rijkaard neglected him.
hardly⌠you need to get a dictionary and look up the difference between inventing a system and tweaking a systemâŚhence I mention Cruyff as the inventor in Barcelona⌠Rijkaard put his stamp on it and Guardiola even more soâŚbut the fundamentals remained the sameâŚ
Cruyff instilled a philosophy at Barcelona. What Guardiola did within that overall philosophy in terms of formation, tactics and even personnel was very different to what Rijkaard had done before him but, look, it doesnât suit you to acknowledge that and youâre digging in to defend your completely incorrect point from earlier. Fine.
no I think Xavi reckoned Rikaard didnât give him enough game time as he was small and not physical enoughâŚeventhough deco was around then and was more the finished article than Xavi at the time âŚ