Official NFL & NHL 2009 Thread

Cluainduic, you are exactly right about the lack of scores in the center forward line. On a good day it would get a few points in total, so we would be reliant on the midfield and full forward to score. Possibly we could try someone like Fintan O’Leary instead of Callinan.

On the other hand, defensively I think it has a strong look to it. The center back line is much stronger then the one that played against KK last year or on Sunday imo.

The problem isn’t as much my selection as it is the complete absence of options in the center forward line in the county. Now, in fairness, Kev’s team is a much bigger mess then mine… :wink:

Anthony Nash
John O’ Callaghan Chris Murphy Conor O’ Sullivan
Shane O’ Neill Ronan Curran Sean Og O’ Halphin
Barry Johnson Tom Kenny
Pat Horgan Rob White Ben O’ Connor
Kieran Murphy (Sars) Brian Corry Cathal Naughton

Sean Og’s too slow, no Brian Murphy, Barry Johnson is a slower version of Naughton (all style and no midfielder), that center forward line is tiny, no physicality, Rob White is a lovely hurler, has great instincts but he isn’t strong as such and to throw him in center forward would be suicide along the lines of Kevin Canty last year, Corry has no hurling in him. You won’t see him in a Cork jersey until next year at the earliest, and then it will be at wing/corner.

[quote=“The Puke”]If I was the Cork manager the team I would be putting out come June would be something like:

Coleman
Shane O Neill-Ronan Curran-Conor O Sullivan
Paudie O Sullivan-John Gardiner-Eoin Cadogan
Tom Kenny-Jerry O Conner
Ben O Conner-Pa Cronin-Fintan O Leary
Cathal Naughton-Michael Cussen-Pat Horgan

The fact of the matter is that Cork are going to win no all ireland thsi year or nexy year, the likes of Donal Og, Sully, O Halpin, Deane, Timmy and Niall should be left off and begin the rebuilding, we in Clare held onto our All Ireland winners for too long and are paying the price now…[/quote]

I like this team better, but we will never get Cussen. Aisake is more likely. Paudie Sul is better suited to a corner back then corner forward imo, so we agree there somewhat. Pa Cronin hasn’t enough hurling in him either.

How much hurling has Aisake done in the past few years though, would he still have the skill level required…My Cork sources inform me that Paudie’s best position is in the half back line alright, he migt need to bulk up a bit…Have Cronin at 11 for the simple fact that he at least puts his hand up and tries to catch a ball, might lack the hurling but if he could win some clean ball or even break it, would be worth his spot

I’m fairly sure Aisake has been scoring freely for Na Piarsigh in the games he has played for them since he returned. He is a bigger strong fucker whatever else, and looked like a hurler to me before he left. Kev probably knows better then me.

He started for the footballers against Dublin during the week, got a point from play and was lucky with missing a goal as well. Might see him come championship for Counihan’s lads.

[quote=“Turenne”]I’m fairly sure Aisake has been scoring freely for Na Piarsigh in the games he has played for them since he returned. He is a bigger strong fucker whatever else, and looked like a hurler to me before he left. Kev probably knows better then me.

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But he has missed a lot all the same, you would get away with it at club level but not at intercounty, Tony Griffin still looks like a class act for Ballyea, pretty much keeping them in senior but looks a shadow of his former self for teh county…

I suppose time will tell…Whatever happened the other lad of the O Halpins, had an odd name beginning with a T…

[quote=“The Puke”]But he has missed a lot all the same, you would get away with it at club level but not at intercounty, Tony Griffin still looks like a class act for Ballyea, pretty much keeping them in senior but looks a shadow of his former self for teh county…

I suppose time will tell…Whatever happened the other lad of the O Halpins, had an odd name beginning with a T…[/quote]

Teu? - don’t think he was ever good enough to make it. Was on the DCU team because of his name. He must be 28 or so now so is hardly going to appear from nowhere.

Teu, that is the lad, never even seen him hurl…Was just wondering was he up to much…

When I was in first year in DCU he was in third or fourth year. Was a good standard college footballer but that was when DCU were muck and before Niall Moyna came in and paid lads to go to college.

Ill joinm in this hurling talk it beats thw budget thread anyway,
Teu O Hailpin transferred to Eire Og in Ennis amidst a fair bit of media attention a few Years ago,lads were half expecting him to be hurling for Clare,never heard another word about him after that,Setanta was a massive loss to Cork hurling in fairness,they would have beaten us in the 2003 AI Final had he put the ball in the net when through on goal twice in that game,still scored 1-3 or so from play that day in a nightmare game for James Ryall who was marking him.

[quote=“THE LINK WALSH”]Ill joinm in this hurling talk it beats thw budget thread anyway,
Teu O Hailpin transferred to Eire Og in Ennis amidst a fair bit of media attention a few Years ago,lads were half expecting him to be hurling for Clare,never heard another word about him after that,Setanta was a massive loss to Cork hurling in fairness,they would have beaten us in the 2003 AI Final had he put the ball in the net when through on goal twice in that game,still scored 1-3 or so from play that day in a nightmare game for James Ryall who was marking him.[/quote]

I remember something about him coming to Clare alright but never heard another peep about him…Setanta looked a class act alright, almost impossible to stop(legally;)) once he got the ball in his hand…Big quick lads like him are a pure bollocks to try and mark, them fuckers would cover as much ground in five strides as another lad would need 7 or 8 to cover

DIdnt Teu hurl in Clare for a while? Some Ennis club?

EDIT ah I see ye figured this out before I could post, fine then.

see link’s post:rolleyes:

Daly looks for ‘Super Sunday’ to lift league

IAN O’RIORDAN reports

NEVER HAS the climax to the National Hurling League been such an anti-climax. Even before the last round of matches on Sunday week, the Division One finalists are decided (Kilkenny and Tipperary) and so too is the team relegated to Division Two (Clare).

It wouldnt be so bad if this wasnt the format introduced two years ago to help breathe some life back into the competition. While its tempting to scratch the whole thing and start over, the GAAs director of games, Pat Daly, believes the format can still work with one significant alteration.

Daly is advocating a revised format whereby the different divisions still play off against each other, but rather than contest a final at the end of it, the last round would be termed Super Sunday where the points on offer are doubled from two to four.

When the old system that was there was looked at the general feeling was that the two top divisions of six teams each wasnt working, says Daly, who was part of the Hurling Development Committee (HDC) that prompted the most recent change to the format.

You had lob-sided games, and when you had Laois and Antrim, and whoever they were playing every week, generally the interest just wasnt there, because the outcome was too predictable. Although I suppose you could say that now about anybody that is playing Kilkenny.

But Division One now is a good deal more competitive. When you have eight top teams, nobody wants to drop out of that. And theres only one team up and down, which means if you do drop out, its not as easy as you might think to get back up.

The problem, says Daly, is building up a suitable climax, and ensuring teams still have something to play for going into the final round. As it stands the last round of matches in Division One Clare v Galway, Kilkenny v Dublin, Cork v Waterford, Tipperary v Limerick count for absolutely nothing.

Ive been pushing an idea here that the league should be played on a straight league format, with a bit of a difference. If you have seven games, you inevitably have an uneven number of home and away games. So you have four away, and three at home.

I think if you have four away games then youre entitled to four at home, but its not possible to structure the thing that way. To balance it youd get the Super Sunday game at home, and there would be four points running on it.

Dalys system would see the team with four away games as having one and two away, three at home, four away, five at home, six away, and seven at home but the difference being the seventh game would be a Super Sunday, and it would be a winner-take-all, four-point game.

So youd do away with the final altogether, and finish on a Super Sunday. And you couldnt have a draw. Youd play until you get a result, whether that be the next score wins, because it would be a winner-take-all.

The likelihood of having dead rubbers would be much less. For example, if Clare could win in the last round, and say Waterford were beaten, then Clare would jump them, if there were four points riding on the final game. You cant say for certain you wont have dead rubbers but the likelihood is that with four points running you probably wont have.

And I think its something to be looked at, in terms of the overall club balance, and between league and championship. Some people say we need to bring back semi-finals, but my belief is that as you expand your championship, and it has been expanded because of the qualifiers, then you have to contract your league. Because you cant expand on every frontier.

It tees up the championship as well. You know who the Super Sunday games are and you can promote that concept, in both hurling and football. That then becomes the springboard for the championship, as distinct from a round of games where there may not be anything of issue with a couple of teams, and you have teams playing the final who maybe have already played in the last couple of weeks.

The National Leagues are controlled by Central Council, so ultimately it would be up to them to propose such a change through some central committee: I think there is a lot of merit in it, adds Daly. The other feeling in hurling is that the league starts too early, and is too truncated. Youre getting too many games in February and less at this time of the year.

This Sundays final round of matches in the National Football League isnt quite as predictable. In Division One, there arent actually any dead rubbers. Westmeath are relegated but in their final match face a Dublin team needing to win well to avoid joining them.

Kerry have qualified for the final but should they fail to beat Galway, they will play the Connacht champions again for the title two weeks later.

Derry can creep into second place by virtue of scoring difference. At the moment they trail Galway by five points (16-21) but were Galway to lose their final match and Derry to beat Donegal it would require only relatively modest winning margins (say, two three-point wins) to turn that around in the holders favour.

At the other end of the table, Dublin, Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo could all accompany Westmeath although scoring difference makes the latter two less likely candidates.

Fine as long as we get to play someone shit in the last game.
Retarded.

Waterford players not happy again it seems. From the tribune:

One of those greats is now over in Waterford. Like Mike Mac, Davy Fitzgerald is all talk about The Date. For Mike Mac everything’s about 21 June. For Davy and Waterford it’s 14 June.

It’s how he rationalised his side’s subdued display to Galway. In the dressing room afterwards he tried to sell to his players the reason for their recent underperformances was that they were “fatigued”. And no doubt they are. Last year heading into their opening championship game Waterford had only done 40 sessions. They’re up to 50 already this year and privately some players are questioning the volume and wisdom of this training.

apparently not going too well by all accounts in town. Was talking to a couple of lads at lunchtime there who have heard about top players not being too happy with how things have panned out.

[quote=“Gman”]Waterford players not happy again it seems. From the tribune:

apparently not going too well by all accounts in town. Was talking to a couple of lads at lunchtime there who have heard about top players not being too happy with how things have panned out.[/quote]

Will they march through the town?

nope, they’ll crucify a half decent song instead

nah, they’ll just organise a secret meeting and stab their manager in the back.

[quote=“Gman”]Waterford players not happy again it seems. From the tribune:

apparently not going too well by all accounts in town. Was talking to a couple of lads at lunchtime there who have heard about top players not being too happy with how things have panned out.[/quote]

That’s a good article. Davy laying it on too heavy for the blaas by the sounds of it. The soft cunts. As long as he gives them enough recovery time before June 14th it’ll do them the world of good. Fuckin townies. They just don’t know how to work.

6 weeks is the norm I believe in terms of recovery time/feeling the benefit of hard/phyisal training*…

*[SIZE=“1”]either that or colm honan hasn’t a clue[/SIZE]