Post your favourite meltdowns over President Trump's victory

International neoliberalism

He coined the phrase foreign policy is the linking of nations through self interest. A very honest appraisal in fairness

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Winter is coming

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Heā€™s partially right although as usual canā€™t express it in intelligible English. There are three factors influencing the wildfires on the west coast. First itā€™s a La Nina year and a strong one, which means dry and windy conditions on the west coast and hurricanes on the east coast. La Ninas and El Ninos vary in intensity, so the second factor is climate change and some evidence cycles are getting more extreme.

The most significant factor by far is the total negligence of forests and grasslands, historically these would be managed with pruning dry tinder and controlled fires. This hasnā€™t been done for decades due to environmental regulations and a desire not to upset the habitat of obscure frogs and fish. California and Oregon are reaping the harvest that they imposed on themselves.

If it hasnā€™t been done for decades how many decades was it done for and what happened before that?

President Trump putting the words in @Tierneevin1979 s mouth here.

Remember the year many years ago that El Nino was a huge news story, we were all supposed to be scared of it. If itā€™s not Covid19 itā€™s El Nino.

Nobody ever feared Sergio

If you canā€™t tell the difference between what I am saying and what Trump is saying then you probably shouldnā€™t comment further.

I knew you were going to mention the Native Americans. Pity ye stole their fucking country.

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Maybe we should put them in charge of forest management.

So thatā€™s casinos,iron workers and forest management. What else are they good at?

Only following this conversation loosely. Might there be a contradiction between blaming this on environmental regulations and saying that the last controlled burnings were under native Americans?

Partly due to environmental regulations. Itā€™s obviously an escalating problem as over time the population has grown from tens of thousands a few hundred years ago to a few million a hundred years ago to forty million today in California, and vegetation that has grown by a factor of three or more over the past century, and the import of non native trees and grasses that add to the problem. So the issues facing humans today far exceed anything native Americans were facing by orders of magnitude, yet they at least tried to deal with it using controlled burning.

The question is why has the problem become so out of control, and one of the major obstacles to controlled burning and clearing vegetation is environmental regulations. Itā€™s one reason for example why Florida burns 21 million acres a year and California burns none, but at least local politicians are now starting to talk about it, now that half the state is burning.

And nothing to do with it being 120 degrees in LA and sure itā€™ll get cooler youā€™ll see. This is the US equivalent of ā€œlook over there Sinn Feinā€.

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Iā€™ve said climate change is a factor, it makes a bad situation worse. But, the primary reason there are more and bigger fires is there is far more dry tinder, far more humans who start most fires, and an unwillingness to sensible address the long standing issues.

Why do you think Californian politicians are now starting to talk about controlled fires?

Donald is probably right. Weā€™re living during the longest period of inter glacial warmth in 250 million years. A period of global cooling is inevitable. The best we can hope for is that man made global warming is real and that greta isnā€™t a childish fantasist leading mugs up the garden path.

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So dry tinder is a greater cause than less snow in the Sierras, less spring run off and consequently less moisture in the trees? Maybe the tinder wouldnā€™t be so dry if there was more moisture in it?

Easier for them to wear a mask and blame the boogeyman Trump on global warming :roll_eyes: