Sorry that is poorly worded- more excess deaths. His point in the video and stated on here by @ironmoth over and over is that many of the deaths from this would happen anyway in a few months. To be as so crude as to say they would die in a few months anyway is wrong, as nobody should be robbed of time on earth. You can do that by protecting them.
Excess deaths from this should be viewed as those taken solely because of this virus. And also factored into that should be the deaths caused by lockdown restrictions, because there will be some in the longer view.
That’s so true! The USA gets slated on here (and yes we all know that Trump is an idiot and all that, which he is), but the guidelines in the States are much more restrictive than in Sweden and 44 of 50 states have a lower death rate than Sweden. But, of course, that does not fit the narrative for some people.
It’s not about “narrative”, it’s about facts. Sweden’s approach seems crazy to me but unlike the US, they at least have a population which has a broadly high level of education and doesn’t reject science or treat science as a “lefty conspiracy”. Neither does the Swedish PM reject science, and he hasn’t called the virus a hoax.
The US has a ruling regime which rejects science, and has a president which called the virus a hoax and said it would go away like a miracle.
The US’s response has objectively been the worst of any first world country and arguably the worst of any in the entire world. Only Brazil has arguably as irresponsible a leader, and I dont think even he’s quite as bad, you could argue it though.
At this stage you’d have to say that Trump actively wants a lot of people to die as it will make it easier for him to rig the election in November, which anybody who follows US politics and has their head screwed on realises is a strong likelihoood.
You can’t say that about any other major country bar perhaps Brazil.
The US’s total failure and humiliation in front of the world, and the total proving right of all those who correctly warned of the dangers of Trump right from the start have been very difficult things for the loony far right culture warrior brigade to deal with here and their response has frequently been genuinely sociopathic over the last few weeks as their entire worldview has come crashing down around them.
It’s fascinating how far out on the ledge some people are capable of going. There’s a lad on boards arguing that Trump wants to see as many people dead as possible, and this is part of the capitalist conspiracy. Besides the utter insanity involved, it doesn’t even make any logical sense, dead people don’t buy anything and are of no use to a capitalist.
Waste of time debating with you. Id be surprised if anyone even reads the reams of shite you produce on here anyway. It is an annoyance having to scroll past your nonsense though. But work away screaming into the abyss ya nut if it makes you feel better.
The tone of your response implies that everyone in the USA is a Trump supporter, with a low level of education, and is a right wing looney – and that is not the case . . . (I have already said in previous posts that Trump is the worst president to have, especially at this time) . . . not everyone in the US is a right wing, uneducated, gun carrying nut case, who believes the virus is a hoax. And thankfully there are many Governors and leaders of individual states (both Republican and Democrat) who are managing this quite well (in comparison to other countries).
Fair enough, I suppose I will . . . I might even allow myself to get brainwashed into the same mindset as others on this forum:
Ireland = Good; Europe = Good; Russia = Good; China = Good . . . and, of course the USA = Bad
He has (like a lot of commentators, even in the media) no understanding whatsoever of the US, it’s system of government, etc. He imagines it’s like what he reads on Twitter from absolute headcases. As for Trump, it simply wouldn’t matter what he did or didn’t do, last week you had lads arguing he was a dictator when he talked about the powers of the president, and then with no sense of irony arguing he was a coward for leaving it up to the governors.
New York poses a big problem for the progressive left. They can blame Trump all they want but it was progressive Democrat politicians who were telling the public to ignore the threat of COVID-19 in early February, carry on as normal, and get out and celebrate Chinese New Year. This was after the first warnings from the task team about the need for social distancing. By their own logic, Cuomo, De Blasio and his “health” officials have a hell of a lot of blood on their hands.
They have 1333 deaths.
Their neighbours Norway 136 deaths; Finland 75 deaths; Denmark 321 deaths
Longer term I don’t know how this plays out with second waves after lockdowns are eased opposed to “herd immunity” Whatever, older, weaker, more vulnerable people will be the victims
You would hope we would all do a better job protecting the old and frail going forward. It remains to be seen how Sweden do versus other countries, when everything is factored in, both from the deaths standpoint and what is left of their economy afterwards.
There may well be an evening out of deaths as time goes on, Italy, Spain and France are fairly close now in terms of deaths per capita and the UK is catching up fast. If number of deaths are the metric, you couldn’t say any of these countries have fucked it up more or less than any other.
The notion that left wing or socialist governments are doing better is absolute horseshit though, the virus doesn’t care about politics.
