Rip Off Ireland - A thread for rip offs

Vote FFG, get their policies mate.

But also, its not a ringroad scenario, its needs to go through popularion bases

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Is the only answer to build a ridiculously over priced rail system?

That figure of 20,000 passengers an hour is the absolute maximum design capacity in one direction, requiring a train every 90 seconds and everything operating at full tilt. No evidence that the state can operate with this level of Teutonic efficiency.

It is not the number expected to use it every hour or even the official forecast for the busiest hour.

In my opinion, actual usage will be far less.

The whole case depends on seamless interconnection with buses, DART and Luas, major population growth and people abandoning established driving, cycling and direct bus routes to travel to a MetroLink station instead.

Plenty simply won’t. So quoting 20,000 as if that represents likely passenger numbers is salesmanship. It is the theoretical ceiling, not the probable reality.

Well metro is most suitable for 20k people an hour - so yes

20k an hour :smile:.

Go tend to your lettuce

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That’s a very helpful suggestion. “We should built this forty years ago but I’m against building it now” :joy:

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:joy::joy::joy:

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They wouldn’t work as well here given Common Law, but they do have the muscle of people internally who could help. But they of course work on their own stuff.

I mean of course it should have been built but Ireland has prioritised roads and connectivity for muldoons for years.

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It’s absolutely ridiculous to prioritise a rail line from the city centre to the airport when you could build a Ballyhaunis to Ballybofey rail corridor.

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You’re confusing capacity with total ridership.

It will be easily 50m. Ridership generally exceeds predictions on transport and has done consistently in Ireland as well.

20k an hour :rofl:

Having such an imbalanced population distribution is bad for the economy. The quote in my last post is an acceptance by policymakers that their efforts to address this issue have failed. To correct it there needs to be a massive increase in infrastructure investment in the rest of the country to create a pull factor. €1bn per km of track in Dublin could be justified if there was something a bit more substantial than new bus shelters being rolled-out regionally. Proactive rather than reactive infrastructure spend is the solution, saying no other area of Ireland needs the capacity proposed is the failed business as usual approach that has led us here.

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That same plan envisaged MetroLink being constructed so what’s your point? There’s been general inflation on all projects since then and some are not as well scoped at this stage (ML is the most scrutinised project in the history of the State).

The reality is that things are expensive to build in built up urban areas. But you get your bang for your buck from population demand.

Cork has their DART being built right now btw and are also getting a Luas.

You missed that the same document includes MetroLink ffs!

Ireland does not have a particularly unique population distribution in its urban areas. It has more rural dwellers though due to public policy - such policy that has led to Dublin only having a handful of new KM of rail laid in the last 200 years. That is out of step with all major European capitals and cities.

I agree with the general point that the country should be rebalanced regionally. But the massive population in North Dublin is already there and being massively penalised by lack of transport.

This is why a united ireland is needed economically more than anything.

Belfast becomes your second economic business hub to take some of the heat off Dublin.

The Dublin skangers are not up to it.

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The Dublin-Belfast corridor will become even more powerful in that instance. Will be more of a megalopolis in this time.

Large swathes of this country don’t even have a fucking Local Link, while Dublin has buses around every corner, the Luas, DART and an entire network of public transport.

People in Ballymun, Finglas and across north Dublin are already infinitely better served than those living in rural Ireland or even cities like Galway, where public transport remains chronically inadequate.

Yet once again, virtually the entire national conversation and an extraordinary share of the investment are centred on Dublin.

A blind man can see it.

We’re now heading towards €1 billion per kilometre for another Dublin transport project while whole counties remain disconnected.It is utterly indefensible and an absolute joke.

Seems like you are advocating building services where nobody lives rather than where there isnpopulation density

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