Rugby World Cup 2019 - Ireland shit the pot all over again

Tom Cary

October 28 2019 2:30 AM

When Ireland exited the World Cup a week ago, under a cloud following what was a devastating quarter-final defeat by New Zealand, they copped a fair bit of flak for failing to front up after the game.

Senior players, it was noted, did not come to the mixed zone post-match. Joe Schmidt did not host a press conference the following day. No one was put up for the media at all.

When the squad arrived back in Dublin three days later Peter O’Mahony said he had “no comment” to make about the game as he had not yet seen it back, although he and Schmidt did take other questions.

You could not accuse New Zealand of failing to front up yesterday despite what was, for them, a similarly devastating defeat; outplayed, out-thought and out-fought by a rampant England in Yokohama on Saturday night.

Steve Hansen, New Zealand’s head coach, and Ian Foster, his assistant, put themselves front and centre, before Kieran Read, Beauden Barrett and Sam Whitelock - arguably the three most senior players in the All Blacks’ squad - took questions from the world’s media.

More than that, though, it was the way in which they spoke which was so impressive; honest, gracious, heartfelt. Read and Hansen, both of whom are going to be involved with the All Blacks for the final time in Friday’s third place playoff against Wales, were very emotional.

Hansen choked up - stopping to take a sip of his water - as he recalled a phone call to his wife post-match followed by a lengthy chat with his predecessor and mentor, Graham Henry.

“Ted and I spoke about how well George Ford had played,” Hansen said.

“Ted had quite a few comments. I did a bit of listening. And tried to do some learning. Then you just move on, don’t you?”

Read was also emotional. New Zealand’s captain, whose 34th birthday was on Saturday, said he felt “empty” but that the defeat had been put into perspective when he returned to his hotel room to find birthday cards from his children awaiting him.

“It’s way bigger than the individual,” Read said of his emotions the morning after the night before. "It’s bigger than myself. The amount of positive messages that have come through. That helps.

"Also the fact it was my birthday yesterday. I get back to the hotel room and there are cards from my kids waiting for me. It changes things and puts things in perspective.

“My kids aren’t going to love me less or whatever. So for me it’s a tough pill to swallow because of the effort you put in, and the guys beside me have put in. But your family and the ones close to you go through that ride as well. They hurt and struggle too.”

It was entirely in keeping with the classy way in which the All Blacks took defeat on Saturday. And the type of men that Hansen and Read are - All Blacks legends both. They were hurting, but they were proud to be hurting.

Asked whether too much pressure was perhaps placed on them by fans back at home, too much emotion invested in them, Read said that was “part of the job” as an All Black.

“I feel if we didn’t have it it would feel a bit different,” he said. "Next year I’m going to be one of those people - a fan - wanting the All Blacks to win.

“I think as a nation we are just passionate about little things we can do, because we are a little nation who punch above our weight,” said Read.

“We understand that’s part of our job as All Blacks, to achieve things for us. I’d hate to lose that expectation and all that comes with being an All Black.”

After 12 years without tasting defeat at a World Cup, the All Blacks were finally vanquished on Saturday. But they went out like champions. Wales had better watch out on Friday.

“We’re All Blacks,” Read said of how the All Blacks would approach the game.

“It’s a chance for us to pull on the jersey again. For some of us it might be our last chance. Personally, I want to go out there and play well.”

Rugby and soccer are two sides of the same bandwagon so, but the haterz just can’t see it.

There’s no obsession … but the QF thing has become a issue for Ireland now — it’s a barrier. Being able to fall back on tradition helps teams a lot in any sport.

Wales would be 5 times better if they had a functioning club scene. The scarlets won the pro 14 a few seasons back with the backbone of this Welsh side involved id say there was 7/8 of them in the 23…imagine if they had another 3 sides feeding in same quality?

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The Irish soccer team will never get within an asses roar of a WC final mate … we will never, ever be good enough but i’d never fault the players for heart.

Like it or not, the Irish rubby team should be competing at the business end of the tournament every now and again, what with only 10 teams in with a shout… but the mentality just isnt there.

Unless you’re 7 points down and there’s a losing bonus point on offer

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Yeah but theres a striking similarity in ability, bandwagonery and hype that soccerball fans seem blind to.

Regarding the rogbee, all round oddball hom tumphries made an observation once that i thought was valid, having played rugby in my youth. It was that rugby teams train way harder than gaa teams, all sorts of shouting to put the effort in, come on to fuck goys etc but when it came to games that was often muted and the towel was thrown in early. In contrast to gaa teams for who training was a pain in the whole, or just a chat with the neighbours while matches were considered serious as fuck and played cut throat. I thought it rang true.

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I hope Wales didn’t feel humiliated when they lost the WC semi-final against France, having outplayed the French and getting screwed by the ref. If they were humiliated by that then imagine how Ireland must feel.

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ah, any true soccer fans knows where the Irish team are at…

Are you agreeing that there’s not enough street fighters in rubby? … GAA has a millennia of tradition to tap into… Village taking on village. Faction fights and the likes also.

The year scarlets won the pro 14 wales finished second bottom in the six nations.

Gaa teams aren’t fit. It’s a myth. Division one league of Ireland soccer sides would have vastly superior fitness levels to your inter county sides.

You can’t win a World Cup with a losing bonus point. Bonus points only apply in the group stage.

You can’t tar everyone with the one brush im sure there are plenty of driven personalities, who hate being beaten, they wouldn’t make it to that level if they weren’t.

But also, you have to bear in mind that almost all the greatest fighters came from tough backgrounds. So theres definitely something to it.

You absolutely can!

Only narrowed minded micks do though. The types that hate sport and are generally miserable.

History and culture? - the World Cup is around since 1987 kid.

History and culture in international rugby is the Championship which has been played for since 1883 and British Lions tours which to the colonial outposts which have been around since 1888.

Very surprised for a grassroots club rugby man to be shouting that rugby began in 1987. You’re sounding like one of those EPL super fans who think soccer was invented in 1992.

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When father is collecting young Harold in the Bentley after a match and whisking him away for a hot chocolate with cream and marshmallows - it’s hard to have any kind of fight while in the cold pissing rain.

Ok, but if met with a hard shoulder theyd crumple on the ground and require oxygen. Different type of fitness

Or imploding in an all Ireland semi final and being whisked away on all expenses paid holiday.