Russia Vs Ukraine (Part 1)

You’re ignoring the civil war though that has being going on in the Donbas since 2014.

80 thousand dead I believe. That is frightening.

I don’t think I’ve ever condemned Zelensky, he is a nationalist fighting for his country. He is doing what he can.

He kind of tore up the Minsk agreements though, seemed to want to take it to Russia despite France and Germany and the UK pushing the agreements, Russia seemed happy with them, the US weren’t either though

He is between a very big rock and a very big hard place and they’re both squeezing in on him

That’s bizarre and bananas mate, come off it would you in all fairness.

Putin and Hitler are directly comparable. Putin has proven form for genocide over the years. Putin is genociding Ukraine and wants the end of the free west. He is threatening first strike nuclear weapons, the obliteration of Ukraine and the rest of the west. He wants the total erasure of Ukraine as a state, Ukraine as a culture, Ukraine as a people. He will not stop there if let.

This is Holocaust level stuff.

There was no genocide by Ukrainians against Russians, it’s a figment of propaganda.

Ukrainian forces certainly fought to maintain control of their own country, as is entirely appropriate when a hostile foreign power, a fascist dictatorship, tries to annex part of it, which happened in 2014.

More bollocks.

I’m sick of asking for actual reports to ethnic issues in Eastern Ukraine causing violence clashes before 2013.

The people of Eastern Ukraine were used as pawns by Russia once their Presidential pawn was overthrown.

The same President promised his population that efforts to join the EU would materialise only to backtrack days beforehand.

As regards Far Right groups emerging? Look at the shit storm Trump drummed up by so called salt of the earth Americans?

You can create side shows all you like, Putin was as big an instigator as any American or European in this.

He can’t because the west has supported Ukraine. You want to sell them down the river.

more lies… did you read up on how wrong you were about the UN?

I think Zelensky would be far more willing to use nuclear weapons than Putin would.

He has said as much over the last few days. Worryingly so.

He doesnt have them himself thankfully. But he has called for them.

You are so deluded it’s laughable.

Ignored what? That there’s people who like Russia in Ukraine? No shit Sherlock.

Is this like the “democratically elected leader of Ukraine was deposed in 2014” ignoring that the same leader had promised to go into a trade agreement with the EU on election but reneged on that due to Russia bribery? The Russian bribery that was founded in the delusion of a “new Soviet Union” (cough Eurasian alliance).

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there was a pro Russian governemnt in place… everyone was happy enough in the East, if they weren’t there would have been reports of ethnic issues causing violent clashes before 2013

You perceive Irish republicians in Northern Ireland with the same hatred.

Do you know what the UN security council is or who is on it? I’ll give you a big hint. Russia is a permanent member and so has a veto.

Christ above the irony.

I don’t advocate it and never would advocate a nuclear first strike, but the case for a nuclear first strike against Russia now is stronger, much stronger, than the case for one against Japan in 1945.

There we have it….

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I’ve been saying it for a month… you’re genuinely thick I’m afraid… no more replies to you

Id agree with you to an extent only the US never had any justification for nuking Japan.

They didn’t. It was a disgrace and it wasnt justified.

Nuclear arms need to be off the table.

the security council can banish Russia from the UN and intervene

A Member of the United Nations which has persistently violated the principles contained in the present Charter may be expelled from the Organization by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.

A Member of the United Nations against which preventive or enforcement action has been taken by the Security Council may be suspended from the exercise of the rights and privileges of membership by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council. The exercise of these rights and privileges may be restored by the Security Council.

You were wrong again mate.