The financial measures and sanctions will absolutely cripple Russia. Putin has no off ramp here. Russia is now a pariah state. Anything with a Russia brand, stamp, status etc is seen as toxic. The ramifications of all this will be felt swiftly. An escalation now without waiting for this to take effect would be ill advised. I cant see how it would lead to less misery and suffering.
What you call whataboutery I call balance.
It’s a bit rich to be calling for action against Russia when Saudi Arabia and Israel are allowed continue their murderous regimes for decades by the same forces opposed to Russia.
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There will be a nuke for everybody in the audience here if we are not careful. We wont be in much of a position to help anyone then. We should help Ukraine in every humanitarian way as possible including granting asylum to as many refugees as possible.
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We can volley back his grenades with our hurlers maybe
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The USA?
Do you think Iraq, Syria and Yemen bombed itself?
NATO killed 500+ civilians through airstrikes on Yugoslavia but that’s ok, right?
I asked you a question. Why was the Cuban Missile Crisis called the Cuban Missile Crisis?
You yourself have been warning for quite some time about the threat China poses to Taiwan.
Do you propose that the US and the west in general does anything about that threat?
I’ll tell you what you proposed they do about the threat Russia posed to Ukraine.
Nothing.
Given that, what you are saying is that China should be allowed waltz into Taiwan. I don’t know why you even brought the subject up given your views.
My view is that China should very definitely not be allowed waltz into Taiwan.
And if he invades Poland ,say or Sweden or Finland, what then?
Answer the question you were asked first.
Yeah. The end of civilisation and most human life. You’d be a lot better off to die in the flash and bang than face what would come after.
Nobody wants to roll the dice on that gamble.
Don’t the West have missiles pointed at Russia all along the world? That’s not inflammatory at all is it.
This is yet another proxy war between the West and the East. Ukraine sadly is the place it is breaking out this time and Russia are the aggressors on this occasion.
I asked you the question first. You refused to answer it.
The question you asked is also not relevant given that it was not a comparable situation.
None of this is OK, but you seem to be using it as an excuse to simply allow it to happen again.
This.
Sadly the people who were happy to sit back and see their northern brethren violently attacked subjugated by British forces are now calling for all out nuclear war and escalation of hostilities.
On Taiwan? The way to stop China is economic, if we had the balls to do it.
The Cuban missile crisis and this crisis are absolutely comparable. Kennedy had the choice to escalate or compromise. Which path did he choose?
I’m not using it as an excuse. I’m just saying matter of factly that there are a lot of hypocrites looking for an escalation of war who are happy to turn a blind eye to Western backed genocide and terror.
It’s an uncomfortable truth for many but I’d like to point out the agenda of those calling for escalation here. If it’s ok to sit back and watch Israel subject Palestenians to decades of terror and war crimes and the same for the Sauds to do to the Yemen, why is it different with Ukraine? All the condemnation is coming for Western powers who have been soft or muted on Saudi Arabia and Israel. It stinks and it’s not whataboutery to point that out. It shows the West is a grotesque actor in all the conflicts that take place in this war.
You are simply making things up as usual.
That’s always been the question. So far it’s never been asked on assumption it means MAD.
In reality I’m not sure what would happen if a non nuclear attack was launched. I suspect a non nuclear defence would be mounted.
I’m not.
I note that those who were vocal opponents to the PIRA are notable by demanding the most militant of response to Russia here. The hypocrisy is off the scale.
Nope. I forgot to add in my last post, we’re not hearing (yet) about any of the dirty shite done by “the west”, which has led to this point, not that I am justifying Vlad in any way. Ukraine was corrupt as f*ck.
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I’d love to know where Johnny Sachs and the lads would draw the line? The county border maybe.
Would they accept Russian invasion of the world rather than risk fighting?