Scotland

Possibly mentioned on this thread already but definitely on TFK before…imnvho quintessential jocko names have a surname for a first name & an interchangeable first name/surname too. For example:

Finlay Cameron
Blair Duncan
Campbell Fraser

etc etc

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Ah yes, now you have it. They look like members of an Orange Lodge.

Gordon McIlwham

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Alastair Hamilton
Gordon Robertson

For proper Scottish names I look to my mental picture of Panini’s Football '87 which contained stickers of Scottish Premier Division teams but had two players to one sticker.

I feel that since then, there has a been a decline in the ā€œhardnessā€ of Scottish names. Hardness is an essential component of a Scottish name.

This was particularly seen in traditional Scottish nicknames for first names. Rab, Tam, Tosh, Chic/Chick. No more of them.

There were an awful lot of Jims around in Scottish football in 1986/87. Jim Duffy, Jim McInally, Jim Bett, Jim Leishman, Jim McLean, Jim Kerr.

Lots of Alecs around then too. Alec Ferguson, Alec Miller, Alec McDonald, Alec McLeish.

Lots of Bobbys. You don’t get Jims and Alecs and Bobbys and Sandys and Archies and Walters and Tommys in Scottish football any more.

I associate the Blairs/Camerons/Frasers as in people with those names for first names with the dourer, more rural parts of Scotland than with Glasgow.

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The top bollocks in BAM Ireland is a Scot called Alasdair Henderson

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I feel Kenny Miller is the ultimate Scotch name. He is also both Rangers and Celtic covering all angles

Actually scratch that Gregor Townend

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Kenny is both a Scotch first name and an Irish second name.

Are there any other examples of this cross-national first name/second name phenomenon?

Sure a load of Irish surnames are American first names

Sullivan, Murphy, Ryan, Shea, Finn, Cullen

Yeah but literally anything can be an American first name.

Of those names I’ve never heard of an American with the first name Sullivan, Finn or Cullen.

I’ve heard of the telly series Murphy Brown but that was not a real person.

I’ve heard of Ryan O’Neal alright so I’ll give that one.

I’ve heard of Shea Stadium but Shea Stadium was a stadium, not a person’s name.

Although having the surname ā€œStadiumā€ would be so cool.

Duncan Ferguson
Duncan Ballantyne

Duncan seems to be a big Scotch name as well.

You then have Sean Marty Lockhart, with the Scotch influence in Ulster.

Blair Patterson
Blair Lindsay
Ramsay McPhillips
Douglas Ramsay
Fergus Campbell
Duncan McFergus
Cameron Baird
Douglas Beattie

Brian O’Brien in Limerick :smile:

My pals Da, RIP

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A rubby stalwart shur.

There was a Jimmy Whan played for Armagh for years in the 1950s and 1960s.

I have never heard of another person with that surname.

He played rugby for Munster

I love the overlap between the traditional sorts of names of players from Timmy areas in and around Glasgow with Ulster football style names.

Charlie Mulgrew was a good one. Played for Donegal in the 1980s and 1990s and for Celtic in the early 2010s.

It was a bit mad how the name Gallagher turned into Gallacher when all the Donegal Gallaghers landed in the West Of Scotland back in the day.

McNally or McAnally turned onto McInally. I’ve never heard of a McInally in Ireland.

I mean we slag off the Yanks for their Murfees and Kelleys and O’Brines but this is basically the same thing.

Ive not heard of many McStays in Ireland at least down in Munster ?

Stafford mcdowell is a personal favourite. Two seconds names is very Scottish.