Personally I find this disgraceful.
School policies ânot in line with Islamâ
PATSY MCGARRY
A spokesman for the Muslim community in Ireland has called for radical change in the educational system to accommodate children with Islamic beliefs.
Dr Ali Selim, of the Islamic Cultural Centre in Dublinâs Clonskeagh and a lecturer in the Mater Dei Institute and Trinity College, has called for âa revolution of inclusivityâ in Irish schools and âan upheaval in Irish educational perspectivesâ.
This was necessary to accommodate the needs of a society which is now âhome to a variety of Christian denominations, as well as people of other faiths and of noneâ, he says in his book Islam and Education in Ireland , to be published next week.
Estimating that of approximately 65,000 Muslims in Ireland today as many as 20,000 would be in the under-18 school-going age, he relates difficulties these young people face when it comes to admission to schools, as well as their problems with PE classes, relationship and sexuality education, music and drama classes, and practice of their faith during school hours.
Preference
âGaining admission to Irish schools is a challenge for Muslims,â Dr Selim says, describing as âlegal discriminationâ section 15 of the 1998 Education Act which allows schools give preference to pupils on faith grounds. It was a âmajor problem for non-Catholic children who apply to them because of proximity or quality of educationâ, he says.
This continued despite a prohibition of discrimination on religion grounds by all recent Equal Status Acts, he says and quotes the example of a Catholic boysâ secondary school in Dublin that says in its policy statement: âNon-Catholic enrolment will only be considered in the event of being undersubscribed.â In its order of priorities for admittance the school only begins to consider the admission of non-Catholics at point number seven.
More generally Dr Selim says , âMuslim festivals are neither celebrated or marked in the calendar in Irish schools.â
He suggests they be days off for Muslim children. During Ramadan, the month of fasting, Muslims give to charity and schools could co-operate by âraising funds for the poor and the needyâ. But, he points out, âany form of raffle is strictly forbidden in Islamâ.
About the RSE programme in schools Dr Selim says there are âcrucial differencesâ with Islam. It forbids pre- and extramarital sexual relations, whereas RSE perceives sexual relations outside wedlock as part of normal practices.â
He suggests there is âa clash of valuesâ also between Islam and âtraditional ways of teaching PEâ. In some schools, âunder the guise of health and safety, Muslim girls are obliged to take off their headscarves for PE classes, which is not acceptable to themâ.
âPersistentâ
Where schools were âpersistentâ, they should âemploy a female PE teacher and provide students with a sports hall not accessible to men during times when girls are at play. They should also not be visible to men while at play.â
Also, Muslim girls would resist changing clothes in a communal area.
When it came to music some Muslims would see it as prohibited but âif music is performed using non-tuneable percussion instruments such as drums, most Muslims will have no problemâ.
On school plays Dr Selim points out that âphysical contact between members of the opposite sex who can be legally married is forbidden in Islamâ and that âgender role-reversal is not permissibleâ.
Acting âin a way that may arouse sexual feeling or give sexual hints causes objection.â
What a pack of cunts
[QUOTE=âFagan ODowd, post: 1010896, member: 706â]School policies ânot in line with Islamâ
PATSY MCGARRY
A spokesman for the Muslim community in Ireland has called for change in the educational system to accommodate children with radical Islamic beliefs.QUOTE]
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i think that simplifies the story somewhat
The use of the word âradicalâ is sensationalist and shows the journalist up to be a bit of a cunt.
I have no doubt that an Irish kid would be accommodated in the Saudi education system.
Muslims are so accommodating to other peoples beliefs and customs. If they dont like it here then why dont they fuck off back to a Muslim country. ISIS would welcome them with open arms.
no it is not.
It simply a statement of fact that the requirement for women to cover up is a radical level of belief.
[QUOTE=âtwiceasnice97, post: 1010912, member: 1061â]no it is not.
It simply a statement of fact that the requirement for women to cover up is a radical level of belief.[/QUOTE]
A head scarf is hardly radical, you pillock.
So you support ISIS in their quest for an Islamic State?
The Catholic ethos of schools in Ireland is a problem. Most people baptise kids as Catholics to facilitate access to schools.
Making schools Muslim friendly is not the answer. Religion should be removed from schools entirely.
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 1010927, member: 2272â]The Catholic ethos of schools in Ireland is a problem. Most people baptise kids as Catholics to facilitate access to schools.
Making schools Muslim friendly is not the answer. Religion should be removed from schools entirely.[/QUOTE]
Most schools now teach World Religions rather than than the old catholic led approach most of us are used to. This isnât a bad thing. Having the primary schools under the control(ish) of the local catholic church is a bigger issue.
[QUOTE=âFagan ODowd, post: 1010896, member: 706â]School policies ânot in line with Islamâ
Where schools were âpersistentâ, they should âemploy a female PE teacher and provide students with a sports hall not accessible to men during times when girls are at play. They should also not be visible to men while at play.â
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I would recently describe this as radical.
How would you have described it before?
True on world religions but the church still owns most of the schools and priests are still on most school boards. Anecdotally I hear that questions from priests on interview boards religion will be expecting attendance at mass dropped into the answer. There is also the issue that all teacher training colleges are catholic institutions, so teachers are taught how to teach world religions by Catholics⌠Hmmm.
The last bit only applies to primary teachers. Secondary teachers arenât trained in catholic institutions.
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 1010927, member: 2272â]The Catholic ethos of schools in Ireland is a problem. Most people baptise kids as Catholics to facilitate access to schools.
Making schools Muslim friendly is not the answer. Religion should be removed from schools entirely.[/QUOTE]
Religion should be removed from all Muslim children.