Six Nations 2010

It must grate MBB how almost spot on Sid’s preview of the game was :smiley:

Shocking stuff today. I’m not one for provincial bias but I really thought the Munster lads killed us out there today.

TOL-brutal, Reddan looked better than him and that’s saying a lot
Hayes-not able for the pace I’d say
O’Connel-O’Christ
Flannery-Joker
Earls-Awful
Wallace-the only Munster man to come away with any credibilty.
O’Gara-RETIRE THIS MUPPET-NOW

Leinster lads did their best, Cullen, Darcy, Heaslip did well-
other Leinster lads and Ferris tried hard too but only so far you can go when you are constantly hampered by the Munster lads and a great French team.

Kidney Out!

:pint:

Ah that doesn’t sound as bad as it first did. Robinson had said it was a “very serious injury” and that “his family are at his bedside.” Still imagine that emergencyish neck surgery isn’t good but if his arms and legs are moving that’s obviously a good sign.

Why is it that we can never seem to produce a decent scrum half in this country? Remember an RTE programmes a few years back to pick the best Irish XV of TV age. Colin Patterson got the nod at 9. Patterson was an outstanding player but his international career only lasted 2 years and 11 caps before a career ending injury on Lions tour in 1980. The fact that he was ranked our best scrum half of the past half century based on two seasons and 11 caps says a lot.

The likes of Wales & Scotland seem to produce a conveyor belt of scrum halfs. Gareth Edwards, Terry Holmes, Robert Jones, Robert Howley, Dwayne Peel & Mike Phillips in Wales. Doug Morgan, Roy Laidlaw, Gary Armstrong, Andy Nicol, Bryan Redpath, Mike Blair & Chris Cusiter in Scotland. We’ve had to endure the likes of Michael Bradley, Fergus Aherne, Rob Saunders, Steve McIvor, Niall Hogan, Chris Saverimuto, Tom Tierney and now Tomas O’Leary.

Wow that must be your first non-Wumming post on this thread.

I think some of it is down to the fact that it’s quite a specialist skill position, probably moreso than any other rugby position. Out half is the glamour position but you can play out half while excelling generally at sport (e.g. Tony Ward) but we probably haven’t had the playing base over the years to produce good quality skillful scrum halves.

Not sure that stacks up against Scotland to be honest but definitely against Wales. They’ve just got a bigger rugby culture so can develop specialists from a young age (same with props which isn’t the same sort of skill position obviously but it’s technical and unique to rugby). We don’t do that sort of thing well because rugby in Ireland relies more on imports from other sports (or at least sharing with other sports) than in other countries.

Not sure if it has any bearing but usually at schools / underage level if you’re any way tall you’ll never be let play scrum half. Another position will be found for you somewhere. Maybe some of our best scrum halves are being moved to other positions?

I thought Niall Hogan and Conor McGuinness could have developed into good scrum halves were it not for injury in McGuinness’s case, not quite sure what happened Hogan. In fairness to Strings he was probably Ireland’s best in that position for many years.

McGuinness did show a lot of promise and was particularly good in Paris in 1998.

Hogan wasn’t up to much, woeful passer. All he ever did was drone on about how medical studies came ahead of rugby. You wouldn’t last too long around the Springbok or All Black scene with that kind of chat.

Ciaran Scally of the 1995/96 Rock Dream Team was the real lost hope though.

Good knowledgable point there Manuel. Ciaran Scally was a fine scrum half and cruelly cut down before he reached his prime, a fine chap also if I may say so, coming from a very decent family who I can vouch for having had the privelege of socialising with them on a number of occasions. A real pity that we never saw what he could have achieved.

I think February 13th, 2010 may well come to be seen as a watershed for Irish rugby in a similar vein to Twickenham in 2000. Back then we saw a team sent out to be lambs to the slaughter. A very conservative selection policy, reminiscent of Declan Kidney’s selection this time, was invoked, backed up by the sycophantic media pundits of the day such as Edmund van Esbeck, Mick Doyle and indeed George Hook. It proved to be a disaster. We saw Conor O’Shea and Tom Tierney play their final internationals. Ironically one of the victims of that game was a 20 year old Bob Casey, who will freely admit he was not yet at the level to challenge the likes of Martin Johnson and Lawrence Dallaglio but was thrown in into a very very deep end in which he had little chance of swimming. Sadly that match has always been unfairly held against him.

After that humiliation, there were eight changes I think, and Ireland went on to beat Scotland 44-22 the next day out. Michael Galwey returned as pack leader and captain at 33 years of age on the back of fine European Cup form. Denis Hickie, inexplicably left out of the ’99 squad, made a wonderful return to the wing while Peter Stringer and Shane Horgan also breathed new life into the back line.

Yesterday, ten years on from that debacle, will hopefully prove to be another watershed.

The circle has turned fully and Bob Casey is now in the position that Michael Galwey was in ten years ago, but with the added bonus of being three years younger. He must now come in as pack leader if we are to have any hope in Twickenham in two weeks time. Cullen and Casey look the stand out choice at second row leading up to New Zealand 2011, with the untested Donncha Ryan deserving of a chance at some stage. The Stade de France humiliation, if examined forensically, should see the end of the international careers of Ronan O’Gara, Tomas O’Leary, Paul O’Connell and John Hayes. Hayes particularly, and O’Connell to an extent, can leave the international scene with their heads held high, while O’Gara and O’Leary can leave in the knowledge that they remain an option for their province. The talented Keith Earls, while he should not be discarded on the proviso that he grows a few centimetres, has fallen down the pecking order behind Shane Horgan and Andrew Trimble.

Paddy Wallace, despite my earlier doubts, has proved a competent replacement in recent times and in my view has secured the right to be back up to Jonny Sexton, while Tom Court’s claims in the front row will be very difficult to refute. A real shake up similar to what happened after Twickenham ten years ago is needed if this Irish team is to have a chance of making an impact on the rest of this Six Nations and the period up to the 2011 World Cup. Let’s hope this Irish management team will be brave enough to implement it. However, going on their previous selection form, I look forward more in trepidation than optimism.

True and all though that was Farmer, I’d be more worried about the fact the director had time to do that without missing any action. It says more about Tomás O’Leary in truth.

3-3 after 22 mins. Wilkinson just missed a penalty from about 20 yards nearly in front of the posts.

High jinks?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8515002.stm

Wales rugby star Andy Powell in golf buggy arrest

Wales rugby star Andy Powell has been arrested for allegedly taking and driving away a golf buggy, hours after his team’s dramatic win over Scotland.

The Cardiff Blues player was arrested with another man at 0600 GMT on Sunday at services off junction 33 of the M4 in the Vale of Glamorgan.

One of the two arrested men failed a breath test, South Wales Police said. But the BBC does not know which of the men this was.

No charges have yet been brought.

A police spokesman confirmed two men from Brecon were arrested and that investigations are ongoing.

He said: "South Wales Police can confirm that two 28-year-old males from the Brecon area were arrested on suspicion of taking and driving away a golf buggy.

“One of those males subsequently failed a breath test.”

Powell played in the 31-24 victory in the Six Nations championship.

It is understood the golf buggy was taken from the Vale Hotel, Golf and Spa Resort in the Vale of Glamorgan where the Wales team stayed before and after the Scotland game at the Millennium Stadium on Saturday.

However, a spokesman for the hotel said they could not comment as a police investigation was ongoing.

The Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) has been asked to comment.

Brecon-born rugby flanker Powell, 28, has won 14 caps for Wales and toured with the British Lions squad to South Africa.
The forward plays regional rugby for Cardiff Blues, after joining from the Llanelli Scarlets in 2005. He has also played for Beziers, Leicester and Newport.

Cardiff Blues said it was a matter for the Wales team.

Italy 6-3 up with 5 mins left in first half. England are fair muck so far.

Brian Moore is such an annoying cunt

Claudio Ranieri, best known for his spells at Napoli, Juventus and Valencia, is attending the gsame. Good to see Simon Shaw up and about, a man that symbolises all that is good about England.

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Italy 6-3 up with 5 mins left in first half. England are fair muck so far.
[/quote] :huh: France are going to piss this.

Italy get a penalty to trail by 2 with 10 mins left. Game on!

Shocking game of rugby that. Both teams actually looked relatively dangerous when they got the ball wide (England moreso) but they were very restricted in what they did. BBC news were talking about Wilkinson kicking England to victory, he was nearly the losing of it for them.

God i hate that cunt.http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39619000/jpg/_39619795_wilkinson_pa.jpg