Six Nations 2011

It’s the backs as well as the back row as you point out. We’ve got a very innovative and impressive backline running of secure set-piece ball but that’s only be the lineout in recent years. Add in the fact that defenders now need to retreat 5 metres and the scrum should be our most potent attacking platform if we could hold it steady. Heaslip is a huge threat in close, with O’Brien and Ferris supporting on either shoulder. That would keep any defence honest and all you want out wide is one-on-one matchups.

I think the other thing the scrum does is gain you a bit of favour with referees. The Australian test against England in the summer was a prime example of that. They were on top despite a desperate scrum and were well placed to put up a decent score actually but the referee (Owens was it?) lost all patience with them after getting frustrated at their failure to keep the scrums up and it was a huge momentum swing. There were still only a handful of scrums awarded in key positions but when you can choose scrums at penalties and with the amount of resets you can’t get away with such an obvious weak spot alright.

an irish scrum without a single munster player is whats needed, its as simple as that.

Trimble is out of the Italy game, big blow for the lad in a WC year, very good chance he would have been given a big chance to stake a claim for the left wing slot…He should be back for some of the later games but there is a chance for someone else now, McFadden, Johnny Murphy or Earls

Best is in poor form wby, i wouldn’t have him there at the moment. I don’t know how the fuck any of the commentators know it, but they say he’s a great scrummager. He’s getting fairly beat up recently and is injured a pile, it must be affecting him. Without doubt my favourite Ulster player though.

Mac - Who in Gods name would you have in the 2nd row? PO’C has to play. He showed enough saturday to suggest what i believe is going to happen, he is going to regain the form of a few years ago and be an absolute star this year again. I wouldn’t have many more other than that though, you are right. Back row picks itself now IMO, and i really really hope we go for scrummagers in the front row.

Ferris said on twitter yesterday the Ulster prop Declan Fitzpatrick was called up to the squad following his performance at the weekend …

Jamie Heaslip, Shane Horgan, and John Hayes have been ruled out of Ireland’s RBS 6 Nations Championship opener against Italy on Saturday week.

Heaslip has struggled with an ankle problem that has kept him out of Leinster’s Heineken Cup campaign and it has been confirmed he will not recover in time for the opening match.

His absence means a difficult decision for Ireland head coach Declan Kidney is deferred with Sean O’Brien, David Wallace and Stephen Ferris all also in contention for back-row slots.

However, Heaslip could be in contention for selection in time for Ireland’s second Six Nations match against France.

But Horgan’s absence exacerbates a potential crisis at wing and full-back for Kidney and Ireland. Rob Kearney, Andrew Trimble and Geordan Murphy have already been ruled out, while Tommy Bowe is also likely to miss the Italy match with a knee problem.

Horgan was replaced at half-time during Leinster’s 36-11 victory over Racing-Métro in Paris at the weekend. Hayes was also replaced after 40 minutes when playing for Munster in their 28-14 home win over London Irish.

Bowe and Heaslip are both understood to be attending consultants in the UK today.

Hayes and Horgan are also expected to miss out on the game against France the following weekend. Details of their injuries are expected to emerge later today.

I see Horan and Fionn Carr both trained with the team today…

Oh for fuck sake.

Kidney out!

Good to see they have brought Greg Feek in as a consultant scrum coach as well…

Don’t know much about him other than Leinster now have a a high level scrum? Presume he’s behind a lot of it.

:clap: :smiley:

I was looking at the pictures of the training session there. They’re laughable some of them. Lads hanging out of transits, wrapped in towels, some wearing balaclava type caps.

By Hugh Farrelly

Wednesday January 26 2011

RHYS RUDDOCK, Fergus McFadden, Damien Varley – names that, it is fair to say, were not within a donkey’s roar of inclusion in the Ireland 22 for last season’s Six Nations opener against Italy, but who are now all in genuine contention for a place in the 22 that heads to Rome next week.

The wave of injuries that has swept over Declan Kidney’s squad is, obviously, far from ideal, but it also highlights the good work that has been done over the past few seasons under the head coach’s repeatedly stated policy of squad development.

There are six Lions among the eight senior players definitely ruled out of Saturday week’s clash and another two, Tommy Bowe and Stephen Ferris, on the doubtful list. If the same scenario had unfolded during Eddie O’Sullivan’s tenure, it would have meant throwing a raft of players in at the deep end but, while there could still be an element of that in the Stadio Flaminio next week, the players ready to step up have all been around the scene under Kidney – works in progress, ready to come to fruition.

Excitement

Albeit in unfortunate circumstances, it has created a stir of excitement around next week’s selection and has also added a large dollop of motivation to the Wolfhounds, who head to Scotland for tomorrow night’s ‘A’ game with the scent of a Six Nations start in their nostrils.

“I don’t want to go overboard, but it is probably a bit more (injuries) than usual,” admitted team manager Paul McNaughton yesterday.

"I didn’t think we’d be sitting here calling time on four players (Jamie Heaslip, Andrew Trimble, John Hayes and Shane Horgan) for the first two games of the Six Nations, and obviously Rob Kearney and Geordan Murphy are out too.

“We’ll be keeping an eye on the likes of Rory Best and Tommy Bowe and if either of those are declared out on Wednesday or Thursday, we may have to call back a couple of guys from the ‘A’ squad – but we want to keep that as strong as possible until we find out what the story is. Three or four of those (injured) guys would have been in the 22 for Italy, so the other guys who are fit are conscious of that and training with enthusiasm.”

The Six Nations before a World Cup is always a somewhat awkward affair. There tends to be a debate as to whether you adopt the England 2003 approach and play your strongest XV in every game in pursuit of silverware and confidence heading for the bigger prize down the road, or use the competition as an opportunity to tweak and experiment with a view to formulating the best squad for the World Cup challenge.

Kidney has always stated that he does not believe in experimentation for experimentation’s sake, believing that it cheapens the jersey and, with a clean bill of health, there was likely to be have been a tried-and-trusted quality to his Six Nations selections.

However, just as on last summer’s injury-ravaged, winless, but ultimately productive tour to New Zealand and Australia, there is now the opportunity to try out the bubbling-under brigade in a competitive international environment which could stand to Ireland at New Zealand 2011.

Starting with McFadden. Desperately unlucky to miss out on senior squad selection after a string of superb showings for Leinster, McFadden, although he made his name in the centre, is a live contender for the Ireland back three due to his excellent displays on the wing.

Elsewhere, with Heaslip out, Sean O’Brien (whose form demanded inclusion in any case) is in line to slot in to the Irish back-row, with yet another in-form Leinster player, Shane Jennings, on hand should Ferris be ruled out.

However, Jennings is most effective in David Wallace’s No 7 jersey and if there was the need for a specialist blind-side then the 20-year-old Ruddock, who stepped up to the plate in major way when he was a surprise call up to last summer’s tour, has to be in the frame (and that is before you factor in the exciting, unblooded ‘A’ options of Dominic Ryan and Willie Faloon).

Jerry Flannery is another senior figure ruled out for the opening Six Nations skirmishes, while his long-time rival Best is battling a rib injury. It leaves Sean Cronin, who has benefitted hugely from Kidney’s squad development policy, ready to continue his impressive international progress at hooker and pushes Varley firmly into the picture also.

Varley has more than justified the decision to involve him in the summer tour with his form for Munster this season and has carried the provincial burden of responsibility thrust upon him by the absences of Flannery and Denis Fogarty with assurance. Neither Cronin nor Varley is the finished article, but they are both dynamic, driven hookers ready to announce themselves to a wider audience.

Finally, the back three crisis might just see Fionn Carr, the most thrilling runner in the Irish game, get the chance to get involved in some capacity, which would be welcomed by those who are convinced his X-factor qualities should be part of Ireland’s World Cup endeavours.

“I know it’s coach’s cliché, but we are looking at it as one game at a time, a tournament in itself,” said Ireland defence coach Les Kiss yesterday.

“It may not look good at the moment (injury-wise), but we have ambitions to do well, we are not going to put this Six Nations away and look at the World Cup. Yes, it’s a few more injuries than we would have liked, but it’s a chance for other guys – we are building a panel and this exposure is going to serve us well.”

Where’s Roger Wilson these days? Still at Northampton? How’s he been playing this season?

Bowe is also out of the Italy game…Horgan could well slot in on the right wing but would much rather see Carr or McFadden get a chance…

Wouldn’t mind a team of

Fitz
Carr
O’Driscoll
D’Arcy
McFadden

Sexton
Stringer

O’Brien
Wallace
Ferris

O’Connell
Cullen

Ross
Varley
Court

Subs
Cronin
Buckley
O’Callaghan
Ruddock
Reddan
O’Gara
Earls

Are you going for Wallace at 8 there? I’d play O’Brien at 8 and keep Wallace at 7. Reckon Jennings is a better bench for the bench than Ruddock too.

I doubt Carr will start and then you might not have him on the bench either because he can’t cover multiple positions but I suppose the players who are starting can do that.

No harm having to try out a few lads anyway and see what they’re like playing alongside the more established players.

No O’Brien for 8 and Wallace at openside…I doubt Carr will start either, Earls or Horgan will surely get the nod, but would love to see him get a chance as he has serious gas…Jennings for me has had chances and never really delivered, he is around the 30 mark now and would rather see a younger lad be given a chance, but I’d say Kidney would go with Jennings, I would also have either touhy, toner or ryan as second row cover for the Italy match but it won’t happen

Isnt Horgan injured or did I pick that up wrong. Like the look of Pukes team, but do you rate Varley over Cronin yea?

As for Roger Wilson, does anyone remember that story about him from before, was it some sort of sex scandal about him?

Can you just say ‘speed’ or ‘pace’? Rugby football wankers with their ‘gas’.

Why do the Irish rugby media give such an easy ride to the coach? Compare it to the stick Trap gets. Yer man Farrelly going on about an ultimately productive tour down under when New Zealand beat the living shite out of them.

Share Horgan is injured too.

I rate Cronin very highly and he is excellent around the park and has the potential to be a top class hooker, but i like Varley style, very solid player and is a decent line out thrower…At this moment I time I would be of the opinion to start Ross-Varley-court and then unleash Cronin & Buckey/Healy after 55-60 mintes as impact players off the bench and they will add a good bit of impetus, but wouldn’t be any way put out if Cronin started…Does anyone know if it is one or two props on the bench for the 6 nations