It makes no difference to the “value” they put on him. Inter still have to get their money. Maybe he’ll be sold on for 100 million after, but Inter still have to get the 65 million, thats what i’m saying.
Isn’t that the very point though? Inter won’t be getting 65 million. They’ll be getting about 7m a year for 5 years and that’s it.
Look i’m not sure what the deal was, but my reading of it from you guys here is that he was valued at 65m, that Inter put that price on him, and now he plays for Barca. Whatever way it was worked out, and whatever problems they had with Eto doesn’t matter, Barca agreed to a deal within which, Zlatan was valued at 65m. Am i right in thinking that?
Now if Inter only get 35m then he couldn’t have been valued at 65m. At 35m the deal doesn’t seem so ridiculous.
To say he’s an integral part of Barcas run is insane to me. There a many average pro strikers who could play up front with Messi as a partner and that outrageous midfield behind you.
Messi has had a great season but he wasn’t scoring all Barca’s goals all season. Ibrahimovic was a vital part of Barca starting the season so well and it’s noticeable that their form dipped when he went out of the side and since he hasn’t been firing 100% on his return.
Messi is an incredible striker and was virtually unplayable at the weekend. Still, Barca aren’t winning the league and that’s because key players have missed games (most of the defenders, Xavi, Iniesta, Ibrahinmovic). They’ve struggled sometimes when they’re missing one or two of those.
It’s also worth noting that Barca have lost 3 games in all competitions this season but Zlatan scored their goal in each of the 2-1 reversals. He was actually brought on to turn two of those games when they’d fallen behind to Rubin Kazan in the CL and Sevilla in the Copa Del Rey and made an immediate impact.
Jose Mourinho, March 2009:
“I think there are four outstanding players in the world - Ibrahimović, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi and Kaká. At the moment, I think I have the best in the four - the best player in the world, Zlatan Ibrahimović.”
That was 12 months ago Bandage. A lot can change in 12 months. Look at the state of Celtic FC and Wexford hurling as an example.
And he let him go.
And he got 65 million for him.
Looks like Jose was talking somebody up.
Exactly, never trust a salesman especially a greasy,sneaky cunt like Jose!
Okay, i’ve had enough of this boring argument.
Messi is the best player in the world, end of.
Zlatan’s record was 2 in 3 for Inter, as opposed to Eto’o who is scoring at a rate of less than 1 in 3. Of course, Mourinho was going to talk up a player with a record like that. And indeed that’s why Guardiola and Laporta came calling for him.
That can’t be true.
Surely Pep Guardiola fell for Mourinho’s trick as Farmer has pointed out. Oh he’ll be raging with himself. If only he’d seen him in the flesh at Old Trafford.
Did Pep even have the real final say on the purchase? The owners in Spain usually have alot to do with bringing players in don’t they?
Are you still on about that?
I’ll tell you one thing, it is clear to see when you are up against it. You either curse, randomly insult or keeping throwing out one random line.
I saw Ibramhimovic in the flesh in Anfield. I also said I have seen him play numerous other Champions League matches where he has failed to deliver. For all your hot air on the topic you have never disputed that they guy doesn’t have a good Champions League record.
And as for Bandage’s Mourinho quote where he said that Ibrahimovic was the world’s best player - why on earth would he sell him then? He said the quote to up the hype and bump up the transfer fee. This is Mourinho after all.
I said at the very start of this that far be it from me to question Pep, but the signing seems an incredible amount of money. Of course he may turn out to be a great player for Barcelona, I doubt it based on his performances thus far, but he needs to be truly great to justify the amount of money that has been spent on him. I have seen nothing in him thus far to suggest he is even near that level.
Farmer and Kev giving the Wexicans a right hole opening here.
Still ou about it? You posted here a couple of hours ago.
I’m not throwing out one random line, I’m responding to your assertion that Mourinho talked up Zlatan and as a result Barca paid over the odds for him. It’s funny, that’s all.
Do you think Ferguson’s comments on Ronaldo when he claimed he was the best player in the world were designed to sell him? Do you think Martin O’Neill praised Henrik Larsson because he wanted him to leave on a Bosman? Do you think Pep Guardiola and Juan Laporta based their valuation of Zlatan on Mourinho’s comments? Really now?
How many games have you seen him play for Barca as a matter of interest? And how many of those were in the flesh, if that’s important? If it’s not then please place no further reliance on it.
How is it funny - it is what happened.
Using a Mourinho quote as evidence of Ibrahimovic’s quality is folly. He didn’t appear to be under any duress to sell him and yet he decided to. That can only point to the fact that he was trying to bump up the price with the initial comment. Clearly if he thought he was as good as he said, then he wouldn’t dream of letting him go.
The price tag paid for Ibrahimovic would lead me to deduce that he was vastly, vastly overpriced given his credentials at the highest level in football. Something must have caused this and maybe the hype as generated by Mourinho contributed to this. Can I ask you a question - do you think he has underperformed for whatever reason in the latter stages of European competition because you have yet to dispute this.
Seeing someone in the flesh is probably better than seeing somone on TV as you can see movement and all the rest. It is not the be all and end all though and I never said that it was. I haven’t seen a whole lot of Ibramhimoivic this year but we are getting into the important period of the season now and we will see if he delivers. His past record, particularly in Europe, suggests that he won’t and makes his 65 million transfer fee seem incredible.
I am tired of rehashing the same points which I feel I have made perfectly clear and logical over the last few pages.
So using a quote from Ibrahimovic as an assessment of how good a player he is, that’s folly.
And yet “Mourinho talked up Zlatan and as a result Barca paid over the odds for him” - that’s true.
So Guardiola fell for this trick and you didn’t. I’ve seen some stupid things on the internet but that’s a corker.
You’ve seen fuck all of Zlatan this year but are prepared to say “he may turn out to be a great player for Barcelona, I doubt it based on his performances thus far” in spite of the fact that most observers of Spanish football have bene impressed.
You’re a ticket Farmer.
They story goes that Laporte was flying back from Russia/Ukraine after a game, asked the pilot to stop in Milan and there the deal was done. He wouldnt have been forced on Pep, (I doubt Pep objected too much) most likely Pep done up a list of players he wouldnt mind having, Ibra being one of them.
Christ!!
You seem to be placing all of your faith in Guardiola - in that if he bought him for that amount of money then he must be worth it.
Well get this - even the great managers make mistakes. To base your argument of him being worth the money on the grounds that he was bought by a manager with good credentials means that every signing a good manager makes cannot be questioned.
And I will give my opinion if you don’t mind - sure it may be opposed to a European Cup winning manager but nevermind.
My whole point is that he has done nothing to justify that price tag, and for all your talk you have yet to show me any facts to say that this is a player capable of performing at the latter end of the Champions League. Once again you have not answered my question.
And calling me a ‘ticket’ and calling my views ‘a corker’ does nothing for your argument and just goes to prove my point more about how you are up against it.
Something along those lines alright, Guardiola makes recommendations to the board/laporte and they go out and do the deals…As I said earlier they pulled out of a deal to sign Villa to get Ibrahimovic…
I think that too much is being made of the price of the deal, both clubs might claim it was 65 million but I doubt it would be anywhere close to that all the same…Inter were never going to pay 30 million for Etoo who had 12 months left on his deal and no doubting that the 35 million Barcelona have to pay Inter is subject to a lot of clauses and stipulations and could well work out to be a lot less than that…