[quote=“Bandage”]I don’t know. I guess it depends on the people involved. Getting back to my original post which Appendage quoted earlier today, I would certainly see myself as having more in common with Celtic supporters than many of the Croke Park attending Irish football supporters. It’s getting back to Martin O’Neill’s point about the deeprooted Irishness of Celtic, whereas there’s seemingly loads of Irish football followers who ridicule and laugh at that mindset. They may be Irish but they’ve a different sense of Irishness than me.
I don’t necessarily have anything in common with the lads who sit in the Canal End with their tri-colour emblazoned with ‘Chelsea FC’ for example. If you read boards.ie or somewhere of that ilk, you’ll see loads of lads taking the piss out of Irish Celtic supporters while being oblivious to the club’s history. They’ll generally snigger at what they perceive as the faux Irishness of the club without realising Celtic and Ireland are interlinked.
The people I meet at Celtic matches tend to be Irish or of Irish ancestry. I imagine many of the Scottish born supporters would have the same sense of Irishness as Aiden McGeady and James McCarthy. Who are we to argue that the diaspora have less of a right to call themselves Irish as someone born here? But getting back to the point, I’d definitely have more in common with these people than a randomer from somewhere in Ireland who gets giddy at the sight of Scholesy and Cristiano and goes to Ireland games for a day out.
As I’ve said before, don’t mistake my relative lack of interest in the 26-county football team for a lack of interest in Ireland generally.[/quote]
You’d have to go back more than 30 years for that kind of value to be placed on a Railway Cup Medal. The tournament was massive in pre-television days, when people only read about great players or listened to the radio. That was draw then, the chance to see Jimmy Doyle play on the same team as Christy Ring against the likes of Eddie Keher and Ned Wheeler.
I’ll guarantee you there was no such thing as Munster and Leinster fans, they all went to see the stars of the day.
It would be better if Munster was rebranded as Club Munster RFC or Munster Reds, they wouldn’t lose the support but it would cut out all this province bullshit that clearly is not there anymore.
[quote=“Mullach Ide”]You’d have to go back more than 30 years for that kind of value to be placed on a Railway Cup Medal. The tournament was massive in pre-television days, when people only read about great players or listened to the radio. That was draw then, the chance to see Jimmy Doyle play on the same team as Christy Ring against the likes of Eddie Keher and Ned Wheeler.
I’ll guarantee you there was no such thing as Munster and Leinster fans, they all went to see the stars of the day.
It would be better if Munster was rebranded as Club Munster RFC or Munster Reds, they wouldn’t lose the support but it would cut out all this province bullshit that clearly is not there anymore.[/quote]
the official name is Munster Rugby im pretty sure?
You cant force people to say or type Munster Rugby every time though
Like I said MI, they can hardly control what there fans write, type, put on banners etc.
You made a reasonable point about rebranding, I answered you. I have no interest in getting into this age old debate with anyone. Your point above is silly, should all Crewe fans make sure there banners read Crew Alexandra FC as well ya?
I don’t see how you’re finding this so hard to grasp. Celtic is steeped in Ireland and Irishness so, like Martin O’Neill, I identify Celtic with Ireland. Then there’s an Irish 26-county football team and I wish them good luck. I’m not saying a Celtic team is more Irish than the 26-county representative team. However, I don’t have as much in common with the people who follow that team as I do with Celtic supporters.
In other words, most Celtic supporters are Irish or of Irish ancestry and are proud of that. Same goes for 26-county football team followers. No difference there. But then many of the latter are keen followers of English football teams, whereas my allegiance is to Celtic so I’m naturally going to have more in common with Celtic supporters in that aspect. Ergo, Celtic 2-1 Ireland.
[quote=“Bandage”]I don’t see how you’re finding this so hard to grasp. Celtic is steeped in Ireland and Irishness so, like Martin O’Neill, I identify Celtic with Ireland. Then there’s an Irish 26-county football team and I wish them good luck. I’m not saying a Celtic team is more Irish than the 26-county representative team. However, I don’t have as much in common with the people who follow that team as I do with Celtic supporters.
In other words, most Celtic supporters are Irish or of Irish ancestry and are proud of that. Same goes for 26-county football team followers. No difference there. But then many of the latter are keen followers of English football teams, whereas my allegiance is to Celtic so I’m naturally going to have more in common with Celtic supporters in that aspect. Ergo, Celtic 2-1 Ireland.[/quote]
in other words Irish by birth Celtic by the grace of god
[quote=“dancarter”]Like I said MI, they can hardly control what there fans write, type, put on banners etc.
You made a reasonable point about rebranding, I answered you. I have no interest in getting into this age old debate with anyone. Your point above is silly, should all Crewe fans make sure there banners read Crew Alexandra FC as well ya?[/quote]
Without splitting hairs Crewe Alexandra would be the only professional club in Crewe, which is a town, not a province.
You will never see Munster listed as Munster Rugby in any media outlet.
The official site for the ERC website just lists Munster as such on their fixtures list whereas it also lists Gloucester Rugby and Ulster Rugby.
It’s the media etc. who have created this brand, the fans just follow suit.
My point wasn’t about entirely about rebranding, my point was that Munster Rugby is now a professional rugby club, not an amateur representative side. They don’t represent Munster as a province, they represent Munster Rugby and should be referred to as such.
[quote=“Mullach Ide”]Without splitting hairs Crewe Alexandra would be the only professional club in Crewe, which is a town, not a province.
You will never see Munster listed as Munster Rugby in any media outlet.
The official site for the ERC website just lists Munster as such on their fixtures list whereas it also lists Gloucester Rugby and Ulster Rugby.
It’s the media etc. who have created this brand, the fans just follow suit.
My point wasn’t about entirely about rebranding, my point was that Munster Rugby is now a professional rugby club, not an amateur representative side. They don’t represent Munster as a province, they represent Munster Rugby and should be referred to as such.[/quote]
I doubt the Glaws fans call the team Glouscter rugby. Anyways Im tapping out. I am weary of defending Munster Rugby.
[quote=“Bandage”]I don’t see how you’re finding this so hard to grasp. Celtic is steeped in Ireland and Irishness so, like Martin O’Neill, I identify Celtic with Ireland. Then there’s an Irish 26-county football team and I wish them good luck. I’m not saying a Celtic team is more Irish than the 26-county representative team. However, I don’t have as much in common with the people who follow that team as I do with Celtic supporters.
In other words, most Celtic supporters are Irish or of Irish ancestry and are proud of that. Same goes for 26-county football team followers. No difference there. But then many of the latter are keen followers of English football teams, whereas my allegiance is to Celtic so I’m naturally going to have more in common with Celtic supporters in that aspect. Ergo, Celtic 2-1 Ireland.[/quote]
So you follow Celtic on the basis of the other people that follow them? I really don’t get that.
And you don’t follow Ireland because many of the Irish followers also follow Epl teams like you passionately did until a few years ago?
Celtic may once have been steeped in Irishness but how Irish is the Holy Goalie, Naka whatever thefuck he’s called, Henik Larsson or Wim Jansen?
Even O’Neill went on bended knee to the queen and would’ve managed Ingerland if he’d got enough autonomy from the F.A.
[quote=“Bandage”]I don’t see how you’re finding this so hard to grasp. Celtic is steeped in Ireland and Irishness so, like Martin O’Neill, I identify Celtic with Ireland. Then there’s an Irish 26-county football team and I wish them good luck. I’m not saying a Celtic team is more Irish than the 26-county representative team. However, I don’t have as much in common with the people who follow that team as I do with Celtic supporters.
In other words, most Celtic supporters are Irish or of Irish ancestry and are proud of that. Same goes for 26-county football team followers. No difference there. But then many of the latter are keen followers of English football teams, whereas my allegiance is to Celtic so I’m naturally going to have more in common with Celtic supporters in that aspect. Ergo, Celtic 2-1 Ireland.[/quote]
That argument is insane.
Some would think from reading this tripe that Glasgow Celtic emerged like the MK Dons. Born in Ireland but moved to Scotland. But no Glasgow Celtic are Scottish and by association British and always have been. The Irish national soccer team is Irish obviously. Bandage obviously also has more in common with Japanese Glasgow Celtic fans than his next door neighbours and members of his family who undoubtedly follow the national side. Bizarre.
In conclusion, Bandage has more in common with Scottish people and a Scottish football club with prehistoric links to Ireland than the Irish national football team.
The later paragraph is truly ridiculous and should be a guarantee for IOTM.
Things change Appendage, as well you know. For example, you were trying to bang a girl when you were 16 before you failed and moved onto another target. The latter is now your wife and the former is one of your wife’s best friends. As I said Appendage, things change.
KIB man, my family don’t support the 26-county representative team. Celtic was born out of the post-famine exodus from Ireland. This wasn’t pre-historic last time I checked. Celtic is a magnificent emblem of the Irish diaspora and many Irish people, such as myself and Martin O’Neill, derive immense satisfaction and pride from this amazing world-renowned beacon of hope and Irishness. Long may she prosper as a striking symbol of the indefatiguable nature of Irish people and how they rose from abject poverty, destitution and oppression to achieve supreme success on a global level, while doing so in an honourable and exclusive manner. As I said, I’d have more in common with a Irish born Celtic supporter or a Scottish born person with Irish ancestry who supports Celtic than your average Aston Villa fanatic from West Clare.
Appendage, it’s a product of the modern era that players from all corners of the globe play with different clubs. The supporters are a constant though. I guess a player like Henrik Larsson was well aware of Celtic’s heritage and history by the time he left. I reckon he’s more knowledgeable about Celtic than some of the Granny rule Irish players were about our history. It’s also a well known fact that Shunsuke Nakamura is a Sinn Fin benefactor.
fuck them. they dont realise Clare elected heroes Daniel O’ Connell, Eamonn DeValera, Paddy Hillery and Dr. Bhamjee. As such Clare people should always be respected for their views.
Next month for defo. These delusional rantings cannot be forgotten.
Remember if Bandage did not have internet access he would not have more in common with Scottish people and other Glasgow Celtic ‘fans’ than his own family and friends
Jaysus Bandage, you normally make plenty of sense but some of the cowdung your spouting on this thread is amazing.
You seem to be saying that you support Celtic ahead of Ireland because most of Celtic’s fans are followers of Celtic and therefore have more in common with you.
I can imagine it making sense after a day on the beer but hardly in the cold light of day.
Funny that you seem not to have been a die hard Celtic fan when you were young. I have a theory that Celtic’s fanbase multiplied massively around the time they were trying to stop the Rangers ten in a row or whatever in the late 90s.
When I was young in the 80s and early 90s I didn’t know anyone who would say they were a Celtic fan ahead of an English team, except one fella whose aul lad came from Glasgow.
Everyone else looked out for their result and hoped they beat Rangers cos we vaguely knew they had Irish connections but that was it.
I don’t know if its conincidence but the ‘explosion’ in their support seemed to coincide with the IRA ceasefire.
Don’t know if this was just in my town but did anyone else notice this Celtifying of Ireland from the late 90s on?
