Kev taking the sympathisers of western imperialism to the cleaners here.
To what? Do we know everything? Do we know how North African Muslims are treated in Paris and a hundred other nuances to it.
If it was as simple as killing for a joke, of course it is. Of course the Mafia, the 'RA, any decent drug dealer worth his salt has killed someone that ultimately was a very small deal.
Was it Limerick or Dublin gang war that went back to a stolen bike?
Killing is almost almost disproportionate. But to simplify this down to that joke is incredibly short sighted. And it seems lads are way too influenced by the media message.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1068659, member: 273â]
Maybe cos you are a parent now your mind has waived on the âTroublesâ. [/QUOTE]
Wtf?? 
Can someone explain this to me?
Iâd say the killers were 18, 32 and 33.
[QUOTE=âMac, post: 1068668, member: 109â]Wtf??
Can someone explain this to me?[/QUOTE]
I thought you were a parent, was it not a life changing experience? Can it not adjust some of your outlooks.
Brothers Iâm hearing.
Yes it was life changing but it didnât have any impact on what I thought about the Troubles. You think that having a child might help someone sympathise more with the killing of innocent people?
Why can anyone not get that they DONât get satire? We take the piss about everything, I used to do it with the nordies and our âshootingâ training at football. We have banter etc.
these people generally donât, and their outlook is different. Of course that does not ok murder, but there is a clear misunderstanding by many here of the whole situation.
Ya. I believe just aging and maturity do as well.
The giving of life must make one think about the taking of it, on some level.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1068677, member: 273â]Why can anyone not get that they DONât get satire? We take the piss about everything, I used to do it with the nordies and our âshootingâ training at football. We have banter etc.
these people generally donât, and their outlook is different. Of course that does not ok murder, but there is a clear misunderstanding by many here of the whole situation.[/QUOTE]
Go way you wum.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1068659, member: 273â]I see you are avoiding the hard questions. Does it conflict your mind that much or are you busy googling looking for some smart response in relation to the 'RA in Britain.
Maybe cos you are a parent now your mind has waived on the âTroublesâ. Either way you seem conflicted. Otherwise youâd have answered straight away.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to disappoint you Kevin.
Hereâs what I think. There were some parts of the IRAâs military campaign that were, unfortunately, justified. Thatâs my opinion. I understand that others will argue that none of it was justified. I donât find agree but there you go. There were some other parts of the IRAâs military campaign that were not justified. Even leaders of the republican movement would argue that.
There are some very broad comparisons between the IRAâs military campaign and what happened today in France: primarily that both groups brought their military campaign to the doorsteps of their oppressors to maximise the impact politically and in the media.
There are other elements that are completely incomparable: primarily the calculated assassination of civilians.
There were plenty of IRA acts that were not defensible in my book. And youâll have to go a long way to find anyone arguing that Tim Parry or Johnathan Ball or their families were stupid or brought their deaths on themselves or any of the other outrageous comments youâve come out with today.
Oh and Iâll be sure to post on here and let you know when my mind waives.
Kev is this forumâs barstool Neville Chamberlain.
One thing thatâs been notable in all the big debates on here the last few days has been your lack of involvement mate. Everything ok?
Whereâs cunt of the year?
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1068667, member: 273â]To what? Do we know everything? Do we know how North African Muslims are treated in Paris and a hundred other nuances to it.
If it was as simple as killing for a joke, of course it is. Of course the Mafia, the 'RA, any decent drug dealer worth his salt has killed someone that ultimately was a very small deal.
Was it Limerick or Dublin gang war that went back to a stolen bike?
Killing is almost almost disproportionate. But to simplify this down to that joke is incredibly short sighted. And it seems lads are way too influenced by the media message.[/QUOTE]
I think youâre struggling to follow your own argument now.
You were telling us that these cartoonists brought it on themselves, that it was inevitable, that they were provoking the sleeping vicious dog next-door. And as a result you have less sympathy for them. That is the laughably absurd position you are supposed to be defending.
So yes, Kev. This victims were singled out because of a joke. Thatâs what the overreaction was to. Thatâs what you think was inevitable. Itâs fairly bizarre to bring in these other factors, which are factors in social inequality but which surely donât further your argument that these cartoonists brought it on themselves. Unless you think the cartoonists were controlling French society somehow.
[QUOTE=âRocko, post: 1068681, member: 1â]Sorry to disappoint you Kevin.
Hereâs what I think. There were some parts of the IRAâs military campaign that were, unfortunately, justified. Thatâs my opinion. I understand that others will argue that none of it was justified. I donât find agree but there you go. There were some other parts of the IRAâs military campaign that were not justified. Even leaders of the republican movement would argue that.
There are some very broad comparisons between the IRAâs military campaign and what happened today in France: primarily that both groups brought their military campaign to the doorsteps of their oppressors to maximise the impact politically and in the media.
There are other elements that are completely incomparable: primarily the calculated assassination of civilians.
There were plenty of IRA acts that were not defensible in my book. And youâll have to go a long way to find anyone arguing that Tim Parry or Johnathan Ball or their families were stupid or brought their deaths on themselves or any of the other outrageous comments youâve come out with today.
Oh and Iâll be sure to post on here and let you know when my mind waives.[/QUOTE]
You are the dickhead now comparing a 3 year olds death to that of a grown adult who was antagonizing a whole religion.
Your faux outrage really isnât washing
[QUOTE=âRocko, post: 1068681, member: 1â]
Hereâs what I think. There were some parts of the IRAâs military campaign that were, unfortunately, justified. Thatâs my opinion. I understand that others will argue that none of it was justified. I donât find agree but there you go. There were some other parts of the IRAâs military campaign that were not justified. Even leaders of the republican movement would argue that.
There are some very broad comparisons between the IRAâs military campaign and what happened today in France: primarily that both groups brought their military campaign to the doorsteps of their oppressors to maximise the impact politically and in the media.
There are other elements that are completely incomparable: primarily the calculated assassination of civilians.
There were plenty of IRA acts that were not defensible in my book. And youâll have to go a long way to find anyone arguing that Tim Parry or Johnathan Ball or their families were stupid or brought their deaths on themselves or any of the other outrageous comments youâve come out with today.
Oh and Iâll be sure to post on here and let you know when my mind waives.[/QUOTE]
Picânâmix Republican
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1068697, member: 273â]You are the dickhead now comparing a 3 year olds death to that of a grown adult who was antagonizing a whole religion.
Your faux outrage really isnât washing[/QUOTE]
You continue to astound me with your incredible lack of common sense. Are you seriously suggesting the entire Muslim religion was antagonized by those cartoons. I think you have a bit more reading to do Kev.
And thereâs no moral high ground debate you can win that ends up with this being somehow a lesser crime than Warrington.
[QUOTE=âRocko, post: 1068690, member: 1â]I think youâre struggling to follow your own argument now.
You were telling us that these cartoonists brought it on themselves, that it was inevitable, that they were provoking the sleeping vicious dog next-door. And as a result you have less sympathy for them. That is the laughably absurd position you are supposed to be defending.
So yes, Kev. This victims were singled out because of a joke. Thatâs what the overreaction was to. Thatâs what you think was inevitable. Itâs fairly bizarre to bring in these other factors, which are factors in social inequality but which surely donât further your argument that these cartoonists brought it on themselves. Unless you think the cartoonists were controlling French society somehow.[/QUOTE]
My point is itâs not as simple as getting killed for a cartoon.
And whatever their reasons, those people were playing with fire and literally had a clear warning. Brave, maybe ya, stupid, certainly considering the results.