Terrorism Thread. The terror of another nembo kev thread

sure tis no wonder, you should hear what happens over in their lands bud…

Four years ago, the creator of the show, Dave Jones, was detained at Gatwick Airport after asking why a veiled Muslim woman was not being checked by airport security. He had apparently joked about wearing his scarf over his face, which he told the BBC was “an observation, nothing more”. However, he was told to apologise to a Muslim security guard who overheard the comment.

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Pontypandy is in lockdown.

Good article by Vincent Browne yesterday. He was also on The Last Word on Today FM yesterday talking about the subject.

YESTERDAY MORNING, RTÉ radio led with a report of the killing of two people in a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida.

The only possible explanation for the prominence accorded this incident is that it was perceived as part of a pattern of killings that are now perceived as an escalating feature of the modern world and as terrorism.

By terrorism I mean the use of violence to cause terror amid the mass of a population for a political purpose.

Almost by definition, terrorism works only with the complicity of the media, for without the sensational reporting of such incidents, the intended terror would not materialise.

Worse than that, incidents that have no political purpose at all and where the perpetrators have no intention of causing mass terror, nowadays get sensational reporting anyway, as seems to have been the case with the Fort Myers killings.

Death tolls

The killings in France last November when 137 people were murdered in Paris and in Nice on Bastille Day when 84 people were killed will cause merely a minor spike in the homicide figures for 2015 and 2016 in France.

In 2014 in France, when there were no terrorist killings, there were 792 homicides.

In Germany, the Munich killings of nine people will hardly be noticed in the homicides in Germany for 2016 – in 2014 there were 716 homicides.
Nevertheless the usually sober Guardian headlined these killings with: ‘A Fearful Europe Holds its Nerve.’

There were fewer than 3,000 people killed in the mass terrorist attack on the United States on 9/11 but even those killings caused just another minor spike in that year’s homicide figures.

There were 12,553 murders in America in 2013 and, incidentally, the crime rate and the homicide rate have been declining steadily over the past few decades, Donald Trump’s protestations notwithstanding.

A threat?

Of course every one of these killings are horrific and cause awful grief to the loved ones of the victims and awful pain to the thousands more injured.
But what is happening in Europe and the United States is not existential, by which I mean a threat to our very existence or to our way of life or even to our contentment.

And yet that is what a hysterical media convey, which would not matter if that did not cause mass demands for ‘action’ and, in turn, political stunts that invariably do more damage than good.

There is a vivid example from our own history in dealing with terrorism. In December 1972, Des O’Malley, then Minister for Justice, introduced an amendment to the Offences Against The State Act, permitting the introduction into evidence in criminal trials where the accused is charged with membership of an illegal organisation of the opinion of senior garda officers on whether the accused was a member or not.

The sentence for membership was one year.

The amendment was roundly condemned by Fine Gael and Labour spokespeople as repressive, tyrannical, fascist and the like.

Judges in the Special Criminal Court jailed up to 100 people charged with membership solely on the basis of the stated opinion of senior gardaí – this was deemed sufficient basis for conviction where the accused failed to give contradicting evidence as, at the time, the IRA did not ‘recognise’ the courts.
Four years later, when Fine Gael and Labour were in office and following the murder of the British ambassador in Sandyford in July 1976, the very people who had denounced the 1972 Amendment then moved to give it further effect by increasing the sentence for membership to five years.

This caused the IRA to advise it members to recognise the courts and to contradict the evidence of senior gardaĂ­ and, as a consequence, very few, if any, people charged with membership were convicted and jailed subsequently.
The United States introduced draconian measures following the 9/11 killings and there is no evidence they achieved anything. France is doing the same now, probably with the same effect except to deepen the alienation of those sections of the French population against whom the measures are directed.
And this is being done because of the mass hysteria generated by the media.

There are times when the best option is to do nothing. Who now, aside from Tony Blair and the cadre of familiar hysterics and attention-seekers, think it was a good idea to invade Iraq in 2003, which has caused the lives of well over one million people?

Who now thinks it was a good idea for British to go to war in August 1914, a war that cost the lives of 16 million people?

Who now thinks it was a good idea to overthrow Gadhafi in Libya or Mubarak in Egypt or attempt to overthrow Assad in Syria?

Wouldn’t the western world now be better off if we focused on the huge loss of life that is caused by private motor cars, driven by incompetents and head-the-balls. In the United States over 30,000 people are killed every year in road accidents, 10 times the number of people killed in 9/11. More than 1.2 million are killed around the world every year in road deaths.

In Ireland, more than 5,000 people die prematurely because of the scale of inequality here – this was established by the report published by the Institute of Public Health (established under the Good Friday Agreement) in 2001, too horrendous a figure to get even acknowledged.

The usual hysterics and attention-seekers don’t bother with these banalities.

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Well done to Vincent.
A proper common sense article although he wont get as many facebook shares and likes as the sensational articles

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I’m looking forward to @ProjectX’s rebuttal of this article.

Vincent has a lovely turn of phrase

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So is Vincent saying that these attacks shouldn’t be reported or should they be reported but after the days Pro Kadabbi Scores?

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I heard him in the radio yesterday about this. Seemed to be saying that muslim terrorists were not as bad as the media painted them out to be :open_mouth:

The liberals really do have their backs to the wall at this point. Things are so bad for the looney left that they are reduced to quoting Vincent Browne articles on GAA forums :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Anyway, I will leave it to guys like @Matty_Hislop and the deviant @Sidney to spend the day fighting with strangers over the Internet. :wink:

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:open_mouth: :smile: :wink:

I guess Vincent and the deviant @Sidney have been wrong about this as well.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5798698de4b02508de479585

I think the moral of that story is to not listen to the radio while drunk.

Yes, I hope your drinking is easing up a little. It does seem to make you quite an angry little man :wink:

You’re the one who only ever posts in order to demonise other people so if anybody knows anything about being an angry little man, it’s you, pal.

No, you are the angry one, no you are, christ @Rocko at least @Tassotti was funny

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Whatever makes you sleep at night. I am certainly not going to fall into your time waster trap.

Think about how you spent all your Christmas and the holidays fighting with strangers over the Internet. Maybe you should take a break for a while.

That is all.

Durka Durka Fuckers.

You don’t need anybody else to waste your time for you, pal, you do a damn fine job of it by yourself. :wink:

Grand, if that helps you sleep at night.

Just think about your behaviour in this site and reflect.

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