The 2009 Ashes Series

[quote=“Shadow”]OK, fair enough. At least you acknowledge that it’s irrational then.

It’s an opinion and you are most certainly entitled to it but aren’t those of us without the irrational dislike of all English sporting teams entitled to our opinion? And in all fairness, how are a bunch of arrogant, bad sport (with a few exceptions) antipodeans more deserving of our support? Of all nations, I think Australia are one of the least likeable sporting wise.[/QUOTE]

I think you’re taking it far too seriously Shadow. there’s no logic associated with these things. If you support England, then good luck to you.

Personally, if North Korea attacked us and played England tomorrow, I’d support North Korea.

[quote=“Fitzy”]I think you’re taking it far too seriously Shadow. there’s no logic associated with these things. If you support England, then good luck to you.

Personally, if North Korea attacked us and played England tomorrow, I’d support North Korea.[/QUOTE]

I can’t say that I understand it, but you have certainly nailed you colours to the mast (or at least everybody’s colours except Englands).

[quote=“Manuel Zelaya”]Expectation levels lowering somewhat I see in respect of Mr Hughes. Getting a start against Northants is now an event to be celebrated.

What’s your point in respect of Bell as a matter of interest. Are you saying that the blip of 7 & 0 in his last match in what has otherwise being an excellent season for him is reason not to select him for Edgbaston?

Presumably if you were applying that rationale and putting such store on performance last time out, Ponting would be dropped for only scoring 40 runs at Lords.[/QUOTE]

I think that comparing Hughes and Bell is a bit ridiculous. Hughes is at the start of his career and bar the last 2 tests and a couple of 4 day games has been a revelation.

Bell was dropped from the England side for a reason, the reason being that he wasnt scoring runs at the top level. Saying Bell has an average of 71 in County Cricket is irrelevant. Michael Vaughan before the Ashes in 2002/3 had an average of around 32 and smashed the Aussies to pieces in that series.

My point being that just because you can score runs at County Level doesnt mean that u can transfer that to Test Cricket. I dont really have a problem with Bell, would love to see him prove all his doubters wrong but cant see it happening.

Looks like rain will affect the third test, in which case you would have to go with a draw as the likeliest result, which pisses my prediction for the Ashes out the window.

But, with Pietersen gone, Flintoff not 100% and Australian bowlers (hopefully) getting more used to the Dukes, we could have a result.

Hopefully.

Mind you, a massive innings by Ian Bell will of course put pay to that.

[quote=“Fitzy”]Looks like rain will affect the third test, in which case you would have to go with a draw as the likeliest result, which pisses my prediction for the Ashes out the window.

But, with Pietersen gone, Flintoff not 100% and Australian bowlers (hopefully) getting more used to the Dukes, we could have a result.

Hopefully.

Mind you, a massive innings by Ian Bell will of course put pay to that.[/QUOTE]

Bell is of course a downgrade on Pietersen,… but as KP wasn’t having a great series, perhaps the downgrade won’t be so bad. Freddie is fit enough to do some damage, I don’t think they’d play him otherwise. And I don’t think the Aussie bowlers are anywhere close to figuring things out. England’s low scores are as much, if not more, to do with poor play by the batsmen as with any great play by the Aussie ball men.

If there is a lot of rain, and it looks that way, then I think that as Australia are the one’s in need of a win, they’ll be the ones pushing to get a result, which will of course give England chances against them.

Phil Hughes has been dropped. Fair enough, his lack of technique to deal with the short ball was quite alarming for test level. He’d become Flintoff’s bunny too so I’m not suprised by his omission.

Damn! I was hoping they’d leave him in so Flintoff would have at least 1 Gimme per innings. :cool:

Worrying here the amount of folk up for England.

:cool:

That stirring 65 at Northants wasn’t enough to save him. Its no surprise. The first two tests have showed him up to be a little lost boy way out of his depth.

Needs to go away, work on his game and technique and we’ll see if he can re-emerge as a test standard batsman sometime down the road.

[quote=“Special Olympiakos”]Worrying here the amount of folk up for England.

:D[/QUOTE]

Not nearly as worrying as the amount of folk up for Australia (or whoever) for no good reason :stuck_out_tongue:

I see Hughes is getting slated back in Australia for announcing to the world that he was dropped on Twitter. Not alone can he not bat very well, but he doesn’t seem to have much of a grasp of the traditions or etiquette of the game.

Dean Jones on TMS:

“Phil Hughes announcing he’s been dropped on Twitter is just wrong, he needs a good foot up the backside for that. He’s broken a team rule and he’s let the opposition know what’s happened before the game’s started.”

[quote=“Manuel Zelaya”]I see Hughes is getting slated back in Australia for announcing to the world that he was dropped on Twitter. Not alone can he not bat very well, but he doesn’t seem to have much of a grasp of the traditions or etiquette of the game.

Dean Jones on TMS:

“Phil Hughes announcing he’s been dropped on Twitter is just wrong, he needs a good foot up the backside for that. He’s broken a team rule and he’s let the opposition know what’s happened before the game’s started.”[/QUOTE]

Dean Jones? Believe me, no one in Australia takes any notice of Dean Jones, and no one seemed to give a shit about the twittergate on morning TV here.

I’m disappointed for Hughes, he shouldn’t have been dropped. Watson, while he did well, is a liability in tests.

This match will be a draw.

RE: Phil Hughes, from Peter Roebuck, one of our favourite cricket journos (Evo has quoted him many times):

No logic in axing Hughes
Peter Roebuck
July 31, 2009

PHILLIP HUGHESS dumping is a setback for a fine young batsman with a lot of runs to his name at every level of the game.

His initial selection was no mere shot in the dark. It was not a question of promise or golden boy or NSW favouritism. It was not even entirely about youth or the selectors determination to stop the ageing of their team. He secured his place in the old-fashioned way, by weight of runs, by taking his chances, most notably in Newcastle where, with the touring party shortly to be announced in a few days, he scored heavily in both innings.

Every step of the way his promotion was the result of hard work and hard runs. And all those runs were made against the new ball, at the tough end of the list.

His ejection is a blow against youth and imagination. It is also a move made in defiance of logic and consistency.

The same selectors who were so confident about the doughty left-hander that they did not feel any need to include a spare batsman of any sort in their squad have in the space of a few admittedly sketchy innings lost faith in him so completely that he has been ditched.

A batsman whose audacity bemused and latterly impressed the Proteas suddenly finds himself wondering when another opportunity might come his way. Bear in mind that he did not poke around in those appearances, did not appear fazed. He succeeded in all three Tests in South Africa and failed a couple of times in England as the bowlers focused on his back foot game. After five Test matches he was performing beyond expectation. He averages 52.44 in Test cricket.

Certainly chinks had emerged in his game, not least in his tendency to give himself room to play back-foot shots. But he has not given much time to put them right. And others also have weak points, though they may not stick out like sore thumbs. He is a country boy, with a game that speaks more of backyards and bush than academies and convention.

Hughes stands his own ground. He is a born opener, and relishes responsibility, rejoices in the bumpers and a fresh attack. Certainly he is young and raw but that has not stopped previous generations of Australians. Nor has he been replaced by Arthur Morris or Bill Lawry or even Chris Rogers. His place has been taken by a worthy enough cricketer who has not opened the innings with any regularity, let alone in this company.

Australias desperation to get Shane Watson back into the side is puzzling. He has not scored many runs or taken many wickets in the highest company. To be exact he averages 19.76 with the willow and 35.57 with the leather. It is the wrong way around.

He does bring a stiff variety to the team and can serve as a fifth bowler but does anyone believe he will be opening for Australia in a years time? Or even for NSW. At this level he is a No.6, and an unproven one at that. His promotion says more about Australias desire to find a Freddie Flintoff than any revealed quality in an honest, capable cricketer.

In short, it is a short-term decision exposing confusion in official ranks. Admittedly, Simon Katich has made a fine fist of opening but he has plenty of experience high up, and anyhow is a redoubtable and skilful operator.

Most batsmen rapidly realise that Test openers are a breed apart. Any fool can open in the light-hearted formats, Test openers set the tone, take the shine off the new ball, instil confidence and survive whatever the fast bowlers hurl at them.

Far from dropping Hughes, the selectors ought to have backed him. Instead, the underperforming bowlers ought to be in the spotlight because rivals have reported fit. The omission of Stuart Clark compounded the mistake made in Hughess dropping. By all accounts, Clark was the sharpest of the flingers in Northampton.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion in these matters but its hard to believe axing Hughes is a step in the right direction.

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/07/30/1248546823575.html

Onions with 2 wickets in the first over of the day - Watson lbw and he cleaned up Hussey first ball shouldering arms. Clarke survived the hat-trick ball and it’s now 138-3. Ashes cricket is awesome sport - ah lovely.

Fcuk it anyway the Punter is gone- Onions again. :clap:

Onions just got Punter - he’s bowled a dinger of a spell according to the text updates I’m following. Punter had earlier broken Allan Border’s record for most test runs ever scored by an Australian batsman, the cunt. 164/4 - Clarke’s obviously the key wicket now.

Its good stuff from Onions. He’s after getting Ponting there now as well. 164/4

North & Manou to come, so its really a big chance for England to skittle them out cheaply enough.

Border or Ponting?

Both charming individuals.

Pup Clarke knows the score. What a cricketer. I predict a double hundred from him.

:clap:

Another one bites the dust 193-5…

[quote=“Special Olympiakos”]Pup Clarke knows the score. What a cricketer. I predict a double hundred from him.

:clap:[/QUOTE]

You’ll have to make to with 29. A beauty from Jimmy Anderson.