The Anglo Tapes

[QUOTE=“Juhniallio, post: 939092, member: 53”]Broke the law. The fact that they were convicted shows this. They acted in a manner completely out of the ordinary(I believe that was central to the conviction) when they offered ridiculous terms of repayment in 25% liability. That’s what they did wrong.

Yes they got legal advice. Which was obviously wrong as what they were told to do was against the law.

Should they sue their legal advisors? I would.

Do they deserve to go to jail? Probably not for this.

Moral culpability??? Grow up you fucking idiot. If my accountant fucks up my taxes, it’s my responsibility, even though I pay him for his advice. Is it my fault? No. Do I have to bear responsibility? Yes.

Have I more questions? No.[/QUOTE]

You should’ve gotten a tax consultant then rather than an accountant.

[QUOTE=“Juhniallio, post: 939092, member: 53”]Broke the law. The fact that they were convicted shows this. They acted in a manner completely out of the ordinary(I believe that was central to the conviction) when they offered ridiculous terms of repayment in 25% liability. That’s what they did wrong.

Yes they got legal advice. Which was obviously wrong as what they were told to do was against the law.

Should they sue their legal advisors? I would.

Do they deserve to go to jail? Probably not for this.

Moral culpability??? Grow up you fucking idiot. If my accountant fucks up my taxes, it’s my responsibility, even though I pay him for his advice. Is it my fault? No. Do I have to bear responsibility? Yes.

Have I more questions? No.[/QUOTE]

Moral Culpability is what lies at the heart of all crime and would have been one of the major tenets which the judge would have weighed in his sentencing decision.

I dont need to grow up sport, I’m not the one calling anonymous people names online.

[QUOTE=“count of monte cristo, post: 939122, member: 348”]Moral Culpability is what lies at the heart of all crime and would have been one of the major tenets which the judge would have weighed in his sentencing decision.

I dont need to grow up sport, I’m not the one calling anonymous people names online.[/QUOTE]

Calling people names??
You asked what they did wrong, I told you. You have yet to acknowledge that the law exists. You’ve now changed to a philosophical argument about morality.
You have misread all my posts and interpreted them as you have seen fit. I’m ok with that. You seem to think I’m on some sort of crazed hatred buzz. You’re as wrong there as you have been all night.
So let’s put it really simply…
Does it not seem weird to you that they have been found guilty of a crime and are being sentenced in a court of law if they have done nothing wrong?

Know where I could find a decent one?

David Drumm has been arrested in the US on foot of an extradition warrant

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Was that on the cards? Delighted for the cunt.

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What is it now 7 years on? :joy: We are a fucking jokeshop. If the yanks were going to do someone they’d be done in 6 months.

Look at the way they turfed that nanny into jail for a couple of years before they realised the medical evidence was unsafe.

if they needed the time to build a water tight case it may have been worth the wait. All going well the cunt will end up sitting on his hole in a jail cell for a while.

Sean dunne is an order of magnitude greater a Cnut.

When sean dunne was in the u.s, rte were sending cameras up to his house trying to find him.

Now that he is back in Ireland,rte seem to have no interest in him

:grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

The ODCE’s investigation into Sean Fitzpatrick seems to have been farcical. Coaching of witnesses, the investigator shredding documents, him pretty much admitting in court he had no idea how to run an investigation etc

The ODCE is hopelessly under resourced.
Government have no interest in implementing company law in Ireland.

It’s not an election issue.

One of the guys working with ODCE used to fall asleep at the meetings :smile:

@Appendage, @TreatyStones - I haven’t been closely following this but the lead investigator chap shredding documents seems very shady. What was going on here?

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Seán FitzPatrick bounces back from bankruptcy to plan new-build

Colin Coyle

November 24 2019, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

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Former Anglo Irish Bank chairman Seán FitzPatrick, who exited bankruptcy in 2014, has applied to build a two-storey, four-bedroom home in Greystones, close to where he currently lives on the Co Wicklow town’s Whitshed Road.

A planning application in the name of FitzPatrick and his wife, Catriona, was lodged on Monday. The couple want to demolish a fire-damaged, flat-roofed cottage known as Meadow Garden at the rear of their home and replace it with a two-storey house.

The probable build cost of a four-bedroom home in Greystones, based on estimates from the Society of Chartered Surveyors Ireland, is €230,000 to €300,000, depending on the property’s specification.

FitzPatrick, who resigned from Anglo in December 2008 amid revelations over hidden loans, was made bankrupt in 2010 with debts of €147m and assets of only €47m. Records from the Registry of Deeds show a court order was made in May resulting in the transfer of Meadow Gardens on Farm Lane, which was valued at €550,000 in 2010, from FitzPatrick’s bankruptcy trustee Christopher Lehane to FitzPatrick’s wife.

It was one of a series of properties that Catriona FitzPatrick claimed she had an interest in following her husband’s bankruptcy. In court last year she argued that about €40m of his investments were funded from loan accounts in their joint names, meaning she had a beneficial interest in them regardless of her husband’s bankruptcy. Both Lehane and Irish Bank Resolution Corporation (IBRC), which acquired Anglo’s loans following its collapse, denied she had any interest in the properties.

IBRC took a separate legal action against Catriona FitzPatrick, while Lehane brought proceedings against her and the couple’s three adult children, David, Jonathan, and Sara FitzPatrick. At a court hearing, it was stated that, while Seán FitzPatrick made all the investments in his sole name, all of the loans were funded in both his and his wife’s name, while payments were made through their joint account.

All of the cases were settled last year with the terms not disclosed in court. It later emerged that Catriona FitzPatrick was granted permission to buy the couple’s family home, Camaderry on Whitshed Road, back from his bankruptcy trustee for €430,000.

It is not known if any money exchanged hands in return for Meadow Garden. At the time of her husband’s bankruptcy, Catriona FitzPatrick’s half-share in the couple’s joint bank account, which was out of the reach of Lehane, was about €1.1m.

Neither FitzPatrick nor Lehane responded to queries.

Why is Colin using a capital P there?

Some Fitzs get very uppity about a capital letter after the Fitz.

Stands for prick