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I will post my own views later this morning and it will probably blow everyone’s mind.
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[*]“Conspiracy - Lone shooter Lee Oswald at the behest of others”
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Does this include US Government officials?
Other- Conspiracy most definitely but Oswald didn’t even shoot a weapon that day so who was involved God only knows.
LHO knew he was taking the fall thats why he shot that cop in Oak Cliff later that afternoon. Thankfully a concerned Dallas citizen took the law into his own hands and saved the future Mrs Onassis the trauma of testifying at trial.
I saw a programme on BBC on it where they investigated it fully and they came to the conclusion that Oswald acted alone.
I can’t remember any of the detail though.
[quote=“Kinvara’s Passion, post: 863595, member: 686”]
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[*]“Conspiracy - Lone shooter Lee Oswald at the behest of others”
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Does this include US Government officials?[/quote]
It certainly can. Please outline motives.
My own view is that there was more than one shooter, Lee Oswald was one of those shooters and the second shooter was most likely posted at the grassy knoll. @Bandage[/USER] @[USER=24]farmerinthecity[/USER] and @[USER=1]Rocko had the benefit of hearing my view last week in the 51 last week but I will repeat for the benefit of others.
I think the most likely backers of the conspiracy were the mafia. After the Bay of Pigs the Cubans certainly had a motive, however, the downside for them of being implicated in the assassination would have been huge, most likely a full scale US invasion. I don’t believe the Russians had a motive at the time either, what would the point in killing Kennedy be? He would just be replaced by someone else.
Myself and @TP McNally drove coast to coast a few years ago and I insisted that we include Dallas on the trip as I wanted to see Dealey Plaza. If you ever happen to visit Dallas I can’t recommend it highly enough, there’s a real sense of history around the place and the assassination museum is fascinating. Anyway, within five minutes of getting to the area I was convinced that Lee Oswald had not acted alone.
The motorcade traveled west along Main Street, taking a right onto North Houston Street and then an immediate sharp left onto Elm Street where the shots were fired. See my map below:.
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My first question when I was standing in the area for the first time was - why didn’t Oswald take his shot when the Motorcade was moving slowly along North Houston Street? Have a look at my second picture below, this is a far easier shot than the one on Elm Street. I have circled the window where Lee Oswald fired his shots from, he would have had a clear shot at the President as he came towards him.
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The third picture I’ve attached shows the point where the actual shots were fired. You can see the ‘X’ on the road where the fatal shot struck the President (frame 313 in the Zapruder film). Why on earth would Oswald have waited to take this shot when he could have taken a much easier shot from Elm Street? The only explanation I can think of is that a second shooter was posted on the Grassy Knoll and that Oswald had to wait until both had a shot at the President. The fourth and final picture shows the Grass Knoll from that same point where the fatal shot was fired.
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I rest my case.
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[quote=“briantinnion, post: 863618, member: 6”] Anyway, within five minutes of getting to the area I was convinced that Lee Oswald had not acted alone.
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I’m sold
The CIA was upset about the changes being made within the agency after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. Kennedy was about to have a major shake up of that Dept… So they intervened before it happened.
Maybe Oswald was having a shit while the motorcade was coming down North Houston Street?
[quote=“farmerinthecity, post: 863600, member: 24”]I saw a programme on BBC on it where they investigated it fully and they came to the conclusion that Oswald acted alone.
I can’t remember any of the detail though.[/quote]
Here’s a shot of @briantinnion re-enacting the assassination using napkins and glasses in The 51 c.11.50 pm last Friday. This was shortly before the enjoyable Pope Francis conversation.
That must have lasted for the length of the lock in. You crazy guys.
If the rain had not stopped or if the motorcade did not pass at lunchtime when the book depository was empty history may have been different.
The argument against Oswald acting as part of a greater conspiracy is he seemed to have no getaway plan - if a bigger conspiracy then they should have had a getaway plan for him or killed him before he entered police custody. He had been refused a visa to Cuba a month earlier by the Cubans. Maybe he intended to kill Kennedy and then they would let him in?
[quote=“briantinnion, post: 863618, member: 6”]My own view is that there was more than one shooter, Lee Oswald was one of those shooters and the second shooter was most likely posted at the grassy knoll. @Bandage[/USER] @[USER=24]farmerinthecity[/USER] and @[USER=1]Rocko had the benefit of hearing my view last week in the 51 last week but I will repeat for the benefit of others.
I think the most likely backers of the conspiracy were the mafia. After the Bay of Pigs the Cubans certainly had a motive, however, the downside for them of being implicated in the assassination would have been huge, most likely a full scale US invasion. I don’t believe the Russians had a motive at the time either, what would the point in killing Kennedy be? He would just be replaced by someone else.
Myself and @TP McNally drove coast to coast a few years ago and I insisted that we include Dallas on the trip as I wanted to see Dealey Plaza. If you ever happen to visit Dallas I can’t recommend it highly enough, there’s a real sense of history around the place and the assassination museum is fascinating. Anyway, within five minutes of getting to the area I was convinced that Lee Oswald had not acted alone.
The motorcade traveled west along Main Street, taking a right onto North Houston Street and then an immediate sharp left onto Elm Street where the shots were fired. See my map below:.
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My first question when I was standing in the area for the first time was - why didn’t Oswald take his shot when the Motorcade was moving slowly along North Houston Street? Have a look at my second picture below, this is a far easier shot than the one on Elm Street. I have circled the window where Lee Oswald fired his shots from, he would have had a clear shot at the President as he came towards him.
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The third picture I’ve attached shows the point where the actual shots were fired. You can see the ‘X’ on the road where the fatal shot struck the President (frame 313 in the Zapruder film). Why on earth would Oswald have waited to take this shot when he could have taken a much easier shot from Elm Street? The only explanation I can think of is that a second shooter was posted on the Grassy Knoll and that Oswald had to wait until both had a shot at the President. The fourth and final picture shows the Grass Knoll from that same point where the fatal shot was fired.
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I rest my case.[/quote]
Did you go to Southfork?
The reason I think he didnt shoot when the “straight on” opportunity preseented itself was that it may have been too easy to identify where the shots were coming from.
I dont think oswald acted alone in that he didnt commit the crime for his own beliefs but rather did it as statd above at the behest of others. He was then susbsequently used as a patsy…
[quote=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 863646, member: 2272”]If the rain had not stopped or if the motorcade did not pass at lunchtime when the book depository was empty history may have been different.
The argument against Oswald acting as part of a greater conspiracy is he seemed to have no getaway plan - if a bigger conspiracy then they should have had a getaway plan for him or killed him before he entered police custody. He had been refused a visa to Cuba a month earlier by the Cubans. Maybe he intended to kill Kennedy and then they would let him in?[/quote]
“sure harvey there’ll be a car waiting” pffffffffft…
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“sure harvey there’ll be a car waiting” pffffffffft…[/quote]
but then is there not a risk he spills the beans - why wait until he is in custody to kill him - kill him before he has a chance to talk
Never read much about Ruby - did he reveal why he killed Oswald or was there any connection to any conspiracy with him?
the man had just shot the commander in chief…
“no man it wasnt me…i was doing it for these other guys…”
This was 1960s america first thing they thought he was, was no doubt a commie
LHO was in custody for 48 hours before he got ruby sundayed. So wheres the interview notes?
Wasn’t arsed. Once you see the gates there wouldn’t have been much else.