The bitterness, the bitterness

Don’t know who it is but clearly he is including KK in that top 7, can’t be Wexford anyway because they’ve played them.
5 Munster counties, Kilkenny and Galway, that’s fair enough

I think Cork will give ye loads next weekend, Croke park will suit them, should be a cracker

Kilkenny by 15 for me.

Yes. Thank god for that

I think Limerick’s style can be underestimated at times. Limerick can play a beautiful style of hurling at times but if you want an arm wrestle they will arm wrestle you and if you want to have a shoot out they will arm wrestle you and then have a shoot out after they win the arm wrestle. Kilkenny will beat Cork, in Eoin Cody Kilkenny have found a real gem, he is likely to cause carnage, Mullen, Reid and Donnelly aerially are all likely to do some damage. I think Waterford are likely to really test Limerick next weekend.

Speaking of Donnelly,I don’t get why Cody isn’t playing him on the edge of the square.For all his attributes,speed isn’t one of them.He has everything else in fairness to him.I reckon he would run riot there with his distribution and aerial strength.

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Donnelly is a cracking player.

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He was probably the best Kilkenny forward the day of the 2019 final.

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I rate him very highly, I believe Kilkenny have not utilised him correctly. Best player for Kilkenny on the losing team in the under 21 final against Limerick a few years back and since then he has had but part roles with Kilkenny, a very good player.

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Who wrote this? Why does it get a thread of its own?

Dungeon.

I have been making exactly this argument for last two years. JD, a superb hurler, is not suited to the ‘getting up and down’ wing forward role.

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But you need serious pace to play the one or two up front. Does he have the pace of a dessie hutchison etc.?

No, obviously not, as regards pace. But the way Waterford operate is not the only way. A full forward standing right in on the square is another option.

Ah jaysus it’s a last resort option at this stage.

Nobody has time around midfield/wing back to be playing a calculated ball into the edge of the square so at best you’d be horsing in backs ball into a full back line where they’ve a man over.

That hasn’t been an option for a long time

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Just to play devil’s advocate but Tipperary did beat every hurling county in the 2019 championship except for Galway who couldn’t get out of Leinster. They would have beaten Dublin also but Laois got in the way

Only team to ever win seven matches to win an All Ireland :smiley:

But a full forward standing on the square may need to move left or right to gain possession, that is where a lack of pace will catch you out. With middle third flooded by most teams nowadays, the pressure on the passer often leads to this type of delivery

If you play him as orthodox full forward, teams can defend that easily with players flooding back. Full back just needs to spoil and let ball through to keeper or let sweeper pick it if it breaks in front.

As a tactic, a player going into full forward for a long delivery can work effectively, but I dont think it works over 70 mins.

I do not agree.

No one “has time around midfield/wing back to be playing a calculated ball into the edge of the square”
? Really? Dunno where you are getting that level of emphatic. What about the ball played into Eoin Cody at points in the 2021 Leinster semi final against Wexford?

And using the leading term “horsing” is just buying into Cusack/McGrath black and white type bullshit.

How fast is SĂ©amus Callanan? And how effective was he for seven seasons, 2014 to 2020, as a high-lying 14?

One tactical option is a full forward really near goal, when the full back has to stand behind him or beside him. You then have two corner forwards centralized in front of the full forward, which clears space on the flanks. A sitting centre back or a sweeper/seventh defender always stands centrally. If you actually play with a centre forward marking such a centre back, with your wing forwards playing as auxillary midfielders, you set plenty of tactical problems – not least on puckouts.

Another option is a three man full forward line, in a really high line. Your centre forward plays doggedly as a centre forward and your wing forwards go to work, with plenty of space in front of the corner forwards. Kilkenny played exactly in this fashion for the 2016 All Ireland semi final replay against Waterford, with Mark Bergin and Liam Blanchfield way out, high, in the corners.

These two options also have the advantage of being more economical than ‘antelopes in a heap’ hurling, in that they facilitate quick release of the ball.

But ultimately it is all about having talented personnel. To an extent, you can play any way you want so long as you have talented personnel. Sure, Waterford got to an AIF in 2017 playing bullshit hurling at a macro level.

I do not agree.

No one “has time around midfield/wing back to be playing a calculated ball into the edge of the square”
? Really? Dunno where you are getting that level of emphatic. What about the ball played into Eoin Cody at points in the 2021 Leinster semi final against Wexford?

And using the leading term “horsing” is just buying into Cusack/McGrath black and white type bullshit.

How fast is SĂ©amus Callanan? And how effective was he for seven seasons, 2014 to 2020, as a high-lying 14?

One tactical option is a full forward really near goal, when the full back has to stand behind him or beside him. You then have two corner forwards centralized in front of the full forward, which clears space on the flanks. A sitting centre back or a sweeper/seventh defender always stands centrally. If you actually play with a centre forward marking such a centre back, with your wing forwards playing as auxillary midfielders, you set plenty of tactical problems – not least on puckouts.

Another option is a three man full forward line, in a really high line. Your centre forward plays doggedly as a centre forward and your wing forwards go to work, with plenty of space in front of the corner forwards. Kilkenny played exactly in this fashion for the 2016 All Ireland semi final replay against Waterford, with Mark Bergin and Liam Blanchfield way out, high, in the corners.

These two options also have the advantage of being more economical than ‘antelopes in a heap’ hurling, in that they facilitate quick release of the ball.

But ultimately it is all about having talented personnel. To an extent, you can play any way you want so long as you have talented personnel. Sure, Waterford got to an AIF in 2017 playing bullshit hurling at a macro level.

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If you burst your bollocks to work it to man 60/70 yards from goal, will you a) attempt a shot or b) play it in to a marked man on the edge of the square?

If you play a 3 man full forward line you still are a man down as someone will drop, most likely the centre back and a midfielder so are you going to play 7 forwards and 5 backs to up the percentages?

How many goals did Callanan get from the edge of the square? which is what you’re proposing.

Callanan is a hell of a lot faster than JD

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You are locked into one way of thinking. Saying “burst your bollocks” says a lot.

You are not thinking about what I said about clearing space on the flanks. Mary I enjoyed quite a lot of Fitzgibbon success in recent years playing in this fashion.