The Electric Vehicle Thread

WASHINGTON — California is expected to put into effect on Thursday its sweeping plan to prohibit the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035, a groundbreaking move that could have major effects on the effort to fight climate change and accelerate a global transition toward electric vehicles.

“This is huge,” said Margo Oge, an electric vehicles expert who headed the Environmental Protection Agency’s transportation emissions program under Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “California will now be the only government in the world that mandates zero-emission vehicles. It is unique.”

The rule, issued by the California Air Resources Board, will require that 100 percent of all new cars sold in the state by 2035 be free of the fossil fuel emissions chiefly responsible for warming the planet, up from 12 percent today. It sets interim targets requiring that 35 percent of new passenger vehicles sold in the state by 2026 produce zero emissions. That would climb to 68 percent by 2030.

The restrictions are important because not only is California the largest auto market in the United States, but more than a dozen other states typically follow California’s lead when setting their own auto emissions standards.

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Got a letter from Electric Ireland today saying they’ll pay 14c per kW for energy returned to grid.

You’d be better off using it yourself but better than nothing I suppose.

They say that your average customer will get 150 to 300 euro back

About time the useless cunts got their fingers out of the holes…. And we talking all summer about power outages this winter.

This fucking country.

They’re back paying it to time of smart meter installation

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That’s interesting. I believe, and I’m open to correction, that if you don’t have a smart meter they will give you a 30% rebate on your yearly import. So you’re essentially getting a nice whack off high winter costs.

Thought it was signed off alright

Stupid Q here… I have oil central heating… How much would I need to spend on top of the solar to drive my heating using electricity as primary source and oil kick in as back up?

I don’t follow you…

You have an oil boiler as your primary heat source.
Are you enquiring about adding a solar PV system to drive an electric heating system that will take you so far, and for extra comfort have the existing oil system as ‘top-up’?

And if that is what you’re suggesting, are you asking how much would a solar + electric heating system cost to install and run?

You seemed to follow me OK!

Ya… I have oil central heating. If I got Solar I assume I would need to do something to drive the central heating with electricity rather than oil

Iv a fair idea how much the solar would cost its more so the extra work I was wondering about

At its most basic, solar PV is just a means of providing an alternative source for electricity. On good days you’ll get great value out of it, on bad days you’ll get very little.

Additional heating infrastructure to take advantage of this (electric oil filled radiators, storage heaters, copper coil underfloor heating etc) needs to be assessed on the basis that when you need heat the weather will invariably be bad, ie poor solar gain. So you’ll pay the going rate.

I wouldn’t be recommending solar PV as a primary domestic heating source in Ireland. In the winter a typical domestic solar PV system will provide very little to you in terms of useable power, at best maybe 15%.

If you’ve a wife and (a few) daughter(s) you may forget this plan entirely.

If you’ve a few pound to hide there’s far more cost and energy efficient ways to tackle it. cc @KinvarasPassion

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retrofitting to such a level you can get a heat pump might be the way to go.

The grant for this is 50% & its done through a one stop shop so you only go to 1 company who organize everything

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I’ve a mate in the construction game and he said people are getting incredibly bad advice around retrofitting heat pumps. They are being sold as a great solution but if you don’t have the necessary air tightness, radiators etc, then it will be woefully inefficient.

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100% correct. As usual.

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I have a heat pump and well sealed house with mechanical ventilation; would adding PV panels connected to a battery be of any use to me to run the heat pump off with stored energy over the winter? The ESB bill for winter have been up around 7 and 8 hundred euros the past few years.

I’ve heard people are ending up with savage electricity bills.

I’m planning to do following over next six weeks

  • upgrade my attic insulation
  • get a steel tech shed
  • get an e-bike

The e-bike could change my life in ways i never thought possible with a nice set of Italian leather panniers

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It would help, but you’re at the mercy of the weather for a measure of how much help.

Back of a fag box calculations tell you the worse the weather, the more you need the pump… and the worse the weather the less you get from the solar…

In short, solar PV will not reduce the cost of winter energy to justify the outlay. Over a period of time (12+ years) you’ll be able to see payback but that outlay would fill a brave few tanks of oil, pay a few winter’s electricity bills etc.

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Yes, you would hope those one stop shops that are Government approved would know what they are doing

I went to A rate your attic- found them very good

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I’ve them calling out next week to quote

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As always, you’ll have a share of cowboys / salesmen that are only interested in making the sale.

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Did I see somewhere recently that solar panels are now cheaper than a standard slate roof because of the price of slate?

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