I’m surprised they published that letter as it doesn’t fit in with their “protestors are terrorists” narrative.
People are outraged, fuming etc.
The power of facebook is going to be brought to bear on Adolf Kenny.
[QUOTE=“ChocolateMice, post: 1043866, member: 168”]Not sure where else to put this but this letter published in the Independent of all papaers has pulled on the e-heartstrings of the Irish public today
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What exactly does she want? No one held a gun to her head and forced her to have the children. Ours are similarly reared. We get no child support. We don’t bleat about it, or expect others to pay for it. There is a lot wrong with this letter.
No one forced her to have the children is a great argument at this stage. You hear it all the time in relation to travellers or maybe welfare recipients. It really pisses me off how dumb it is.
It has truth in it though. It is a basic premise, and an interesting one. I posted the above for reaction more than anything. I have no strong feelings really either way, but is it right that one person expect others to work to support their family? I wouldn’t expect it personally, and would be extremely grateful for just child support money. Ours was stopped after we had children, and we accepted it and carried on. I certainly wouldn’t be writing to a paper to complain about my treatment, but that is just me. There seems a healthy sense of entitlement running through the letter. Whatever your views on the rights and wrongs of this, the books have to be vaguely balanced somehow, as it is the children themselves who will be ransacked, should they choose to stay in the country, if the borrowing doesn’t stop.
The govt resources have to be rationed. Granted it would be easier to take if the fuckers in the dail, and in Europe, rationed themselves a little first, but still.
[QUOTE=“flattythehurdler, post: 1044040, member: 1170”]It has truth in it though. It is a basic premise, and an interesting one. I posted the above for reaction more than anything. I have no strong feelings really either way, but is it right that one person expect others to work to support their family? I wouldn’t expect it personally, and would be extremely grateful for just child support money. Ours was stopped after we had children, and we accepted it and carried on. I certainly wouldn’t be writing to a paper to complain about my treatment, but that is just me. There seems a healthy sense of entitlement running through the letter. Whatever your views on the rights and wrongs of this, the books have to be vaguely balanced somehow, as it is the children themselves who will be ransacked, should they choose to stay in the country, if the borrowing doesn’t stop.
The govt resources have to be rationed. Granted it would be easier to take if the fuckers in the dail, and in Europe, rationed themselves a little first, but still.[/QUOTE]
huh?
You’ve some fucking gall appearing on this thread
+1.
Youve some fucking gall yourself pal, given your closeness to Yatesy
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[QUOTE=“artfoley, post: 1044174, member: 179”]Youve some fucking gall yourself pal, given your closeness to Yatesy
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Darcy was some utter cunt.
[QUOTE=“artfoley, post: 1044174, member: 179”]Youve some fucking gall yourself pal, given your closeness to Yatesy
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:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=“flattythehurdler, post: 1044040, member: 1170”]It has truth in it though. It is a basic premise, and an interesting one. I posted the above for reaction more than anything. I have no strong feelings really either way, but is it right that one person expect others to work to support their family? I wouldn’t expect it personally, and would be extremely grateful for just child support money. Ours was stopped after we had children, and we accepted it and carried on. I certainly wouldn’t be writing to a paper to complain about my treatment, but that is just me. There seems a healthy sense of entitlement running through the letter. Whatever your views on the rights and wrongs of this, the books have to be vaguely balanced somehow, as it is the children themselves who will be ransacked, should they choose to stay in the country, if the borrowing doesn’t stop.
The govt resources have to be rationed. Granted it would be easier to take if the fuckers in the dail, and in Europe, rationed themselves a little first, but still.[/QUOTE]
Load of bollox mate. But the first response is you don’t punish the children for the parents having them. If parents can’t support their children it is the responsibility of the state. “They shouldn’t have had the children so” type arguments are something only a cunt would believe.
The lady in question can quite clearly support her children. She just doesn’t like the lifestyle choice that imposes, and wants someone else to pay toward it I think.
I admire your genuinely held social views glas, always have, but we don’t live in a perfect world. The tax take cannot be all things to all men.
I think the woman is describing a frustration felt by many in her socio-economic grouping.
There is a social contract that society is supposedly built on and in the main, these people have paid their way throughout this depression. Yet, what they are paying for is an utterly dysfunctional public service and political system which can result in appalling outcomes for some people.
Flatty might wear his dickensian family situation like a badge of honour, but in reality, it is a sign of a poorly functioning country.
[QUOTE=“Thumper, post: 1044278, member: 2305”]I think the woman is describing a frustration felt by many in her socio-economic grouping.
There is a social contract that society is supposedly built on and in the main, these people have paid their way throughout this depression. Yet, what they are paying for is an utterly dysfunctional public service and political system which can result in appalling outcomes for some people.
Flatty might wear his dickensian family situation like a badge of honour, but in reality, it is a sign of a poorly functioning country.[/QUOTE]
Ah yeh, but ill send the little fuckers down the mines soon enough to pay me back.
Reform of the tax system so that credits are individualised (even though for everything else you are assessed jointly) was designed to encourage women into the labour market back in 2000 or so when we had more or less full employment. As an economic policy it probably stacked up at the time but as a social tool it has led to the necessity for many families to have both parents working. It is beyond debate that the best way for kids to be brought up is by a parent at home.
We have a situation where most people who work ration the number of kids they have based on financial means but the benefit classes have no need to apply such rationing. That is fundamentally wrong.
This Government must be fucked altogether if the best they can put up on Prime Time is Brother Rabbitte and Gemma Hussey FFS…
Hoping that Pat’s aserbic one-liners will quell Murphy’s rhetoric is pissing into a hurricane. A General Election is what’s wanted…
Looks there is the mother of all row backs coming on the Water Charges. A climbdown of @farmerinthecity proporitions.
Capped charges - possibly for the long term (5 + years).
This basically renders the water meters useless, and the “complex” billing systems they spent millions designing are now also useless. Looks like Irish Water is going to leave the e-voting machines in the ha-penny place when it comes to wastes of money.
[QUOTE=“TreatyStones, post: 1047240, member: 1786”]Looks there is the mother of all row backs coming on the Water Charges. A climbdown of @farmerinthecity proporitions.
Capped charges - possibly for the long term (5 + years).
This basically renders the water meters useless, and the “complex” billing systems they spent millions designing are now also useless. Looks like Irish Water is going to leave the e-voting machines in the ha-penny place when it comes to wastes of money.[/QUOTE]
And then on the other side you’ve got siptu threatening all sorts of shit of the bonuses are removed from their 100 IW employees. Why a flat water charge couldn’t have been added to a household charge I’ll never understand.
You’d have avoided all the controversy & fixed all the leaking pipes in the country for the next 10 years with the billion quid they’ve wasted.