The Ian Bailey is dead thread

[artfoley]

@johnnysachs

I apologise for the spelling mistake. So now you are quoting an unrelated article from 2019 and using it to support Garda expertise or lack of in collecting DNA back in 1996. In any case a Guard would be bagging and SEALING things like knives, guns and other items found at a crime scene and not taking samples of skin which is what we are actually discussing here. This would be done by an independent forensics team. They would not have a motive to frame Bailey. I’ve already mentioned that there was a delay in Harbison getting to the scene. He was responsible for autopsy in CUH to determine cause and time of death. The latter of which he was unable to determine.

id suggest that you read the morris tribunal report

[artfoley]

@flattythehurdler

There either was DNA evidence which was lost or bodged (hair/gate etc), or their wasn’t.

the gate was lost, incredibly. i believe that AGS retain other evidence

[flattythehurdler]

I’d say honestly that some guard spotted in the lock up and thought it’d be grand to close a gap on the farm.

[artfoley]

@flattythehurdler

I’d say honestly that some guard spotted in the lock up and thought it’d be grand to close a gap on the farm.

if it has forensic evidence, it shouldnt be kept in a station, it should be in the garda forensic bureau

[habanerocat]

Do they still have her clothes?

[johnnysachs]

Totally irrelevant. We’re going from Mizen head to Malin head here. My point remains there was no DNA that has of yet created a DNA profile that rules Bailey from the frame.

[mikehunt]

@flattythehurdler

I’d say honestly that some guard spotted in the lock up and thought it’d be grand to close a gap on the farm.

There’s the makings of a fantastic Line of Duty parody based on the Gardai.

[johnnysachs]

You wouldn’t put it past them.

[flattythehurdler]

Honestly I bet that’s what happened

[artfoley]

@johnnysachs

Totally irrelevant. We’re going from Mizen head to Malin head here. My point remains there was no DNA that has of yet created a DNA profile that rules Bailey from the frame.

irrelevant you say? there’s been malpractice and mishandling of evidence in all of the garda divisions for manys the years, west cork is not immune from that allegation by any stretch of the imagination. from the conduct of this case and the recorded calls, its hard to see how any reasonable person could come to the conclusion that AGS there played it straight in any element of this case.

[artfoley]

@mikehunt

There’s the makings of a fantastic Line of Duty parody based on the Gardai.

in that case we can rule bailey out as being H

[flattythehurdler]

There was absolutely no physical evidence on Grahame o dwyer either art.
There literally was hearsay and conjecture.

[artfoley]

@flattythehurdler

There was absolutely no physical evidence on Grahame o dwyer either art.

a FFS, lets compare compare apples and honey badgers FFS

thats because it wasnt a violent sustained assault. also because all they found of elaine ohara was bones.

[flattythehurdler]

You agree then

[StoneCold]

Can anybody explain the legal technicalities around how Bailey has been tried and could possibly be imprisoned in France for a crime committed in Ireland?

[johnnysachs]

Napoleonic law in France

[Julio_Geordio]

@StoneCold

Can anybody explain the legal technicalities around how Bailey has been tried and could possibly be imprisoned in France for a crime committed in Ireland?

The French have a law that they can investigate and imprison a murderer of any French citizen no matter where the crime happened

[StoneCold]

Informative rating. But would this law not have to be factored into in any extradition treaty or in EU law?

[Julio_Geordio]

@StoneCold

But would this law not have to be factored into in any extradition treaty or in EU law?

The EU is irrelevant in terms of extraditions. I’d imagine Bailey could take a case to some European court alright but he’d have to wait for them to agree to extradite him first I’d guess before he could appeal it higher, and I’d imagine your talking a serious wedge and he hasn’t two buttons to rub together

[artfoley]

@StoneCold

Informative rating. But would this law not have to be factored into in any extradition treaty or in EU law?

there’s a whole legal saga on this. the irish courts, quite rightly, told the frogs to fuck off as when the european arrest warrant was issued it was for questioning and becuase theres no corresponding offence in irish law.

now that he has been convicted, the frogs have come with another EAW and because the irish govt, deliberately id imagine, didnt implement certain safeguards contained in the directive, there’s a live possibility he could go to france, unless the supreme court decide that the law cant be applied retrospectively.