The impeachment trial of President Donald J Trump

This is a thread to log the significant events of the impeachment trial of the Donald.

Day 1. The significant event today was after 13 hours of discussion and voting on 14 proposed amendments, Supreme court chief justice John Roberts admonished both sides for engaging in discourse not appropriate to the great institution of the US Senate.

A real cliff hanger in store…

I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict that after several weeks of debate and testimony the outcome will be a 53-47 vote to acquit Trump.

Here’s a statement from Rep. Jerry Nadler (D) in 1998, who was a member of the House of Representatives team opposing the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Nadler is one of the House leaders making the case for impeaching Trump in 2020.

“There must never be an impeachment substantially supported by one of our major parties and largely opposed by the other. Such an impeachment would lack legitimacy, would produce divisiveness and bitterness in our politics for years to come, and would call into question the very legitimacy of our political institutions.”

If all was right in the US. Trump would definitely be impeached on the evidence they have already heard. But it isn’t and he won’t

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He has been impeached, convicting him is another story. The bar was deliberately set high (2/3 of senators), otherwise impeachment would be used as a political weapon and every president would be removed from office if the opposing party have a simple majority in the Senate. That’s what Nadler warned of in 1998 and is now arguing the opposite.

It would be political suicide for Republican senators to support impeachment, they would lose the presidency, the senate and the house in 2020. With the economy as strong as it is they will stick by Trump.

Sid would love this.

I would love to fix his hair. No 1 all over

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On and on they drone, three days now of repeating the same thing, using hundreds of different combinations of the same words. Adam Schiff literally in tears at the podium at the outrage of it all.

The latest ABC poll is out.
In favor of removal 47%
Against removal 51%
Trump approval rating 47% (a new high)
Congress approval rating 17%

This is not going well for Democrats.

Trump will walk in next term lads

It’s looking increasingly like that. Democrats have become the party of the permanently outraged, the party of political theater, the party of utter bullshit.

Meanwhile the country is flying it, and that will be the biggest problem for the Dems in Nov. It’s hard to convince people how shit things are when they’re actually fairly good.

:joy:

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52.6 Disapproval
43.0 Approval

Except for Paddy.

It looks like polls are almost exactly unchanged since May 2019. It also looks like Trump lost a lot of support when the scandal first broke but now people have made up their minds and no-one has really changed sides for months.

Them polls don’t matter one iota of a fuck . the swing states matter all that matter kid

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