Change the bleeding record.
Fuck off Carl.
Would dread to agree with the prick or even think it but the more I read about the early years of the new state and the disgraceful treatment of the likes of the urban and rural poor for most of the following decades, not to mention the state we’re in now…
Interesting enough read this…
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Would dread to agree with the prick or even think it but the more I read about the early years of the new state and the disgraceful treatment of the likes of the urban and rural poor for most of the following decades, not to mention the state we’re in now…
Interesting enough read this…
I suspect you are judging the past through the prism of the present gola. Not always the best course
It’s bewildering alright when you think that not only was it past friends, or communities carrying out these acts against each other but oft times it was within the same families. I remember an old work mate telling me how his grand uncles used to go out fighting each other by day and the mother would have them both back for dinner that night.
The pain of those years is something both sides wanted to bury.
Nah, there was nothing especially unique about us. You will have a grab for power anywhere. In my amateur opinion the absence of an industrial revolution in Ireland, and therefore the absence of a large organized urban workforce, retarded the drive for social reform here. Rural societies are less progressive socially and the power of the church made it all the worse. I’d recommend Diarmaid Ferriter’s stuff if you’re interested in the post-revolutionary era. You don’t have to agree with him but he offers an interesting perspective on that period.
I don’t know Fagan the likes of the slowness in dealing with the Dublin tenements and the catholic censorship would look bad through any prism I’d say. What do you think?
It is really is an indictment of the education system how little people know about the period or Irish history full stop. It’s a fascinating period. I thought everyone would have known about Ballyseedy and Knocknagoshel at this stage, it blew up again there a few years ago, if you’ll pardon the pun after a TV expose. Horrible carry-on and there was never, ever an apology for it from the state. It is hard to see Richard Mulcahy as anything other than a war criminal to be honest.
I was in Kilmainham Gaol yesterday and as well as the usual stuff there’s a temporary exhibition of photographs from 1916 to the Civil War, from the Revolutions book that was recently published. I think one of the worst things I ever read about was two volunteers dragged alive behind a Crossley Tender by Tans I think it was, they were handed back dead to their families in closed coffins, which the families promptly forced open. The two lads basically had no faces left, a disgusting sight. They took pictures of them and circulated them around for propaganda purposes.
I think the civil war may not have reached the depths it did if Collins hadn’t been killed, he was doing alot of negotiating with Tom Barry and ‘Sean Forde’ before that and the real bad shit hadn’t kicked off. Who knows?
nonsense
+1.
You’d have to be an utter mongo to believe that.
really SS**-I have a degree in history and have no interest in it-there are a lot more important things on the hostory circullui-if you take how much time is allocated to history in secondary school and the importance and interest of topics such as the russian and french revolutions,the world wars etc then I think the civil war gets a fair mention in secondary shool-its tedious enough the history of the civil war
Balls , I fucked that up.
Fuck off totti.
It’s hard to imagine Collins would have stood for it to be honest. Then again, maybe the saintly image we have of him is because he died before the worst of it happened?
I wouldn’t have too much of a problem with it not being taught. All you’d have had is a bastardized, free state sponsored version of what happened, and the tension from that alone would be enough to perpetuate the divisions. They were probably right to let sleeping dogs lie and let historians revisit it when the time was right.
You never tasted her cooking pal.
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It’s hard to imagine Collins would have stood for it to be honest. Then again, maybe the saintly image we have of him is because he died before the worst of it happened?
I wouldn’t have too much of a problem with it not being taught. All you’d have had is a bastardized, free state sponsored version of what happened, and the tension from that alone would be enough to perpetuate the divisions. They were probably right to let sleeping dogs lie and let historians revisit it when the time was right.[/quote]
Don’t understand why people think Collins wouldn’t have stood for the rough stuff when he sanctioned the destruction of the Four Courts with English artillery when he was alive.
+1.
The Cark cunt.
The goal: A 32 county socialist republic
The outome: A 26 county Catholic theocracy run by two groups of quasi-fascists
That’s Irish alright.
I feel it’s a pivotal moment in Irish history and needs to be understood, TASE.
It’s a shame the Irregulars didn’t pack it in after the fall of Limerick, would have saved alot of bloodshed. Dev was thinking of throwing in the towel, not sure why they carried on. Losing patriots like O’Connor, Mellows, Boland, etc must have been a loss to the country.