The Official Superhero Movie Thread


#1

So, yes I’m a nerd. A big nerd at that. I’ve tried so hard to hide it.
I’m a comic book nerd who has never read a DC or Marvel comic book.

This leaves me with movies and TV shows. I was a big fan of the Xmen and Spiderman cartoons when I was much younger and seeing them appear in big movies had been cool to see, but seeing them poorly developed and butchered was disheartening.

Selective condensed pre 2005 history of main DC and Marvel superhero movie franchises:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhero_movies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_in_film
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_in_film
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(film_series)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiderman_film_series

Recently things are changing for the better. Since Christopher Nolan successfully rebooted Batman in 2005 a huge change has been taking place in the world of Superhero movies.
While Superhero movies are pretty much the staple of where you get to see prominent Superheroes, this is also beginning to change a shift a little more towards TV.
The typical formula to pre 2005 Superhero movies has been make the first movie of your franchise and it is successful and you release a sequel achieving varying degrees of success. E.g. X2 is viewed as one of the best Superhero movies ever made.
Then the difficult third movie happens and the quality falls off a cliff. In the Batman series this happened with the 4th movie [Batman and Robin]. For Xmen and Spiderman it was the third movie. [Xmen: The Last Stand and Spiderman 3]
In the case of Xmen and Spiderman they both made the same mistake. Taking multiple huge storylines from comic books[e.g. Sandman/Green Goblin/Venom in Spiderman and The Cure/Phoenix in Xmen] and trying to cram them into 2 hours of film. The result was an incredibly watered down product which led to both franchises being rebooted. This time around filmmakers look like they have learned their lesson from the past and are either looking at a 3 film story arc and leaving it at that [like Christopher Nolan did with his Batman trilogy] or have much broader long term plans.
Here is an overview of the main movies that have been released in this genre in the past 10 years and why it is a very exciting time to be a fan of Superhero movies.

[SIZE=7]Marvel Comics[/SIZE]
Overview:

Their well-known characters include:
Xmen[Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto, Mystique, Storm, Rogue, Cyclops, Beast etc…]

Spiderman

Fantastic Four
http://geeknation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Fantastic-Four-Wall-Paper.jpg
Avengers[Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, Hulk, Hawkeye etc…]
http://feministfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/avengers-movie-poster.jpg
Marvel Cinematic Universe
Movie Studio Rights Owners: Disney
Recent Work
[LIST]
[]Iron Man 1, 2 and 3
[
]Hulk
[]Captain America 1 and 2 [Winter Soldier]
[
]Thor 1 and 2 [Dark World]
[]Avengers Assemble
[
]Guardians of the Galaxy
[/LIST]
Upcoming
[LIST]
[]The Avengers: Age of Ultron [2015]
[
]Ant-Man [2015]
[]Captain America 3 [2016]
[
]Doctor Strange [2016]
[]Guardian of the Galaxy 2 [2017]
[/LIST]
TV Shows:
[LIST]
[
]Marvel: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. [1 Season, returns September 2014]
[*]Daredevil [will be released in May 2015 on Netflix]> With more to come from
[/LIST]
Commentary:
The Marvel Cinematic Universe is by far the best thing going on within this genre at the moment. That’s not to say that all of their releases have been superb, they haven’t, there have been a couple of stinkers in there[Most glaringly Iron Man 2].
But the way the series of movies has been constructed and the success it has garnered means we should expect 2/3 releases from this studio per year for the foreseeable future. By the time the money from Guardians of the Galaxy has been counted these movies will be close to grossing $7 billion!
Cost only $1.7 billion to make they have become a massive cash cow for Disney.
If you are curious as to where the overall path of the story is going:

The path that is being taken is one towards unification of infinity stones. 3 of which have already been revealed.
The Tesseract in Captain America, the Aether in Thor: The Dark World and the purple Infinity Stone in Guardians of the Galaxy.
Expect these to be revealed in further movies and for them to converge when we get towards Avengers 3.

The three releases this year were all very well crafted. With Captain America: Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy genuinely excellent. Thor was not as strong as the others but still quite good.
Expect Avengers 2 to keep the high standards with Joss Whedon writing and directing.
If you want to catch up with this series, feel free to skip Hulk and Iron Man 2. With these movies: always remember to watch post-credit scenes. Even with the ones you have skipped.
They usually give clues to where the next movie is headed.So if you watch in the cinema, wait until the very, very end.
This year Captain America and Thor both had somewhat important post-credit scenes in the context of future releases. Guardians did have scenes, but they were more geared to humour.

Spiderman
Movie Studio Rights Owners: Sony
Recent Work
[LIST]
[]The Amazing Spiderman
[
]The Amazing Spiderman 2
[/LIST]
Upcoming
[LIST]
[]Sinister Six [2016]
[
]The Amazing Spiderman 3 [2018]
[*]Venom [Rumoured]
[/LIST]
Commentary:
Spiderman rebooted itself but has sadly followed the same path as its previous trilogy. It started off with a decent premise and good young cast with plenty of potential and it proceeded to rush the storytelling of the most important stories in comic book history.
It decided to move away from the Peter/Mary-Jane couple to a Peter/Gwen Stacy love interest. Which is an important change in the context of comic book history.

Once they decided to go down the Gwen Stacy path it would be obvious to comic book nerds that Gwen Stacy would die. The death of Gwen Stacy is a huge event in comic book history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_Gwen_Stacy_Died

The first Amazing Spiderman was bordering on good. The second was a bit of a rushed mess. And the they seem to in quite a hurry with all the movies they have planned but there is a concern that they will be as poorly crafted as Amazing Spiderman 2.
It wasn’t terrible it just could have been a bit better if they saved some of the stories and slowly built them but instead they decided to cram in as much as they could into 142 mins and will suffer long term for it. They made a staggering amount from the sequel [$700m] so they have plenty of money in the bank.
On the horizon they have 2 or 3 movies that have the potential to be anywhere from very good to disastrous. I’m concerned, especially given that one of their main writers just jumped ship to Star Wars, but I’ll give their next offering a chance.

Xmen
Movie Studio Rights Owners: Fox
Recent Work
[LIST]
[]Xmen: First Class
[
]Xmen: Days of Future Past
[/LIST]
Upcoming
[LIST]
[]Xmen: Apocalypse [2016]
[
]Fantastic 4 Reboot [2015]
[*]X-Force/Deadpool [Rumoured]
[/LIST]

Commentary:
The first 2 Xmens were great. The third one was a total clusterfuck. Xmen: First Class and Xmen: Days of Future Past have been a great way to take the mistakes in the previous movies and wiping them form the record while keeping the legacy of them intact. And they were both truly excellent. If you have never seen any watch them[but skip the third one and move straight on to First Class].
Xmen: Apocalypse will be based in the 1980s and will contain mostly the First Class cast with younger versions of Storm, Cyclops and Jean Grey. To quote Bart Scott, can’t wait! Fox also own Fantastic 4 so they are rebooting that next year. It has crossover potential with Xmen but it’s hard to see how that will happen given the current timelines. Also, Channing Tatum has been cast as my beloved Gambit. Hmmm…

Why is the Studio Rights Owner Important in the context of Marvel Characters?
It’s important in the context of crossovers. For example as things stand you’ll never see Xmen interacting with Spiderman or Fantastic 4 interacting with Iron Man which actually happens all the time in comic books.
There are some exceptions to this. For example if you have seen Xmen Days of Future Past and Captain America Winter Soldier you may have noticed the same character appear in both.

Quiksilver appeared in both. He is played by 2 different actors. In the Marvel Cinematic Universe he’ll be joined by his twin sister The Scarlett Witch as was shown in the Captain America Winter Soldier post-credit scene.
Anybody know who their father is?

The situation is so ridiculous that Disney movies aren’t even allowed use the word “mutant” to explain superpowers as that word is owned solely by Fox as it is attached to Xmen.
In some ways it’s a shame, in other ways, I imagine a true Marvel universe with all characters available could be a giant mess with too many characters falling over themselves to get screen time. Disney could have this very problem soon. This may happen in future and if it does then it will be Disney as they now own Marvel.

[B][SIZE=7]DC Comics[/SIZE]

Overview: [/B]
Their well-known characters include Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter

Batman Reboot
Recent Work
[LIST]
[]Batman Begins
[
]The Dark Knight
[]The Dark Knight Rises
[/LIST]
Upcoming
[LIST]
[
]Nothing, it’s over. Deal with it
[/LIST]
Commentary:
Nolan made an excellent trilogy but there are no plans for future movies in the Nolan universe.
You will not see Christian Bale as Batman again. Batman is now played by… Ben Affleck….
https://s2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/hkWH5UORmvtsioxO2dZiGw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/movies/2014-05-13/e7eb52c0-dabd-11e3-928d-790595b088b3_batmobile.jpg
DC Cinematic Universe
Recent Work
[LIST]
[]Man of Steel
[/LIST]
Upcoming
[LIST]
[
]Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice [2016]
[]Justice League [2018]
[/LIST]
Commentary:
So after trying a semi reboot of Superman in 2006 with Superman Returns DC decided that it didn’t leave them in a position that they could use long term. So they went with a full reboot of Superman with the 2013 movie Man of Steel.
DC fans are hoping this is the DC version of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. So far so good. Man of Steel was a box office success making $660m and the follow up will be a Batman and Superman crossover movie with the movie moving towards a Justice League movie.
The early signs are good. And by early signs I mean this preview pic of what Wonder Woman will look like:
http://images.kpopstarz.com/data/images/full/186849/closer-look-jpg.jpg
If they get this right, it could be spectacular. And with Christopher Nolan working as a producer, I’m very hopeful.
DC Characters in Other Media
TV Shows
[LIST]
[
]Arrow [2 Seasons so far. 3rd Season starts October 2014]
[*]The Flash [Starting October 2014]
[/LIST]

Commentary:
At the moment it doesn’t look like these 2 series will form any basis for the DC Cinematic Universe. Despite it making sense to try go and connect them.
Arrow is meant to be good in a poppy/braindead kind of way. Haven’t watched it yet. If they were connected to the DC universe I’d be more tempted. Oh well…

[SIZE=6]Good Sources of this type of Information:[/SIZE]
AMC Movie Theatre Movie Talk
Good for latest news of upcoming movies.
http://www.youtube.com/user/amctheatres

IGN Rewind Theatre
https://www.youtube.com/show/ignrewindtheater
These guys slow down trailers and explain all the little hidden messages that you miss.
[MEDIA=ign]videos/2014/05/20/what-did-we-catch-in-the-guardians-trailer-ign-rewind-theater[/MEDIA]

I’ll post some of these videos in there as trailers and big news appear.


#2

Quiksilver’s father is Magneto :cool:


#3

holy mother of fuck.
I hope you copy and pasted all that, and even then you’d want to take a long hard look at yourself.


#4

That’s great stuff there man even if you are a Kilkenny cunt! :cool:


#5

Excellent summation CLD, your nerd status is copperfastened :stuck_out_tongue:

Somethings to add

[LIST]
[]Marvel have the TV series Agent Carter in the works
[
]I imagine the makers of SHIELD which is relatively decent, got quite the kick in the hole when the direction of Captain America 2 was revealed to them
[]You place a lot of confidence in Nolan saving Superman/Batman, I was very disappointed with Superman to be honest and can see the entire “Justice Rising” thing being a giant clusterfuck with or without Nolan.
[
]Arrow started promisingly, but I just kinda drifted away from it mid season. Its gotten good reviews all the same, that Flash series is very different tonally, but like you say, it would all be better if connected to DC. Not connecting their universe is just odd and makes them look amateurish in their overview compared to Feige and Marvel.
[]Spiderman 2 was a huge letdown and while the Stacy storyline was perhaps inevitable, I think it was a huge mistake. Also they seem to have gotten cocky and from a decent start with the first one, the second has just gone to shit as they tried to drop easter eggs eggs everywhere for their upcoming Sinister 6 and Venom, etc. All in all, aside from Garfield and Stone, it was a giant clusterfuck imho. There’s still potential there as Spiderman will always have a huge draw, but they need to have a rethink immediately.
[
]X-Men is class and Ratner can go fuck himself.
[*]Gal Godot :clap:
[/LIST]


#6

@Rocko is there some sort of a status where we can ‘distance’ ourselves from this sort of guff?


#7

Support of Wrestling is okay, but this is off the wall stuff altogether :D.


#8

[QUOTE=“glasagusban, post: 995048, member: 1533”]Quiksilver’s father is

Magneto :cool:

[/QUOTE]
Spoiler alert!


#9

[QUOTE=“Distended Red Anus, post: 995054, member: 2648”]holy mother of fuck.
I hope you copy and pasted all that, and even then you’d want to take a long hard look at yourself.[/QUOTE]

I have taken your suggestion and had a good hard look at myself. When I did this is what I saw looking back.
http://www.hdwallpaperpc.com/cover/44/Cartoon_Comic_Deadpool_Deadpool_Thumbs_Up_Marvel_43915_detail_thumb.jpg

So all good. Thanks for the tip.

Note: My vision was not as clear as this. I did see myself giving a thumbs up, which was encouraging but it was hard to see clearly given the mask.
Also the swords, utility belt etc… are pretty heavy so sweat becomes an issue.


#10

[QUOTE=“myboyblue, post: 995060, member: 180”]Excellent summation CLD, your nerd status is copperfastened :stuck_out_tongue:

Somethings to add

[LIST]
[]Marvel have the TV series Agent Carter in the works
[
]I imagine the makers of SHIELD which is relatively decent, got quite the kick in the hole when the direction of Captain America 2 was revealed to them
[]You place a lot of confidence in Nolan saving Superman/Batman, I was very disappointed with Superman to be honest and can see the entire “Justice Rising” thing being a giant clusterfuck with or without Nolan.
[
]Arrow started promisingly, but I just kinda drifted away from it mid season. Its gotten good reviews all the same, that Flash series is very different tonally, but like you say, it would all be better if connected to DC. Not connecting their universe is just odd and makes them look amateurish in their overview compared to Feige and Marvel.
[]Spiderman 2 was a huge letdown and while the Stacy storyline was perhaps inevitable, I think it was a huge mistake. Also they seem to have gotten cocky and from a decent start with the first one, the second has just gone to shit as they tried to drop easter eggs eggs everywhere for their upcoming Sinister 6 and Venom, etc. All in all, aside from Garfield and Stone, it was a giant clusterfuck imho. There’s still potential there as Spiderman will always have a huge draw, but they need to have a rethink immediately.
[
]X-Men is class and Ratner can go fuck himself.
[*]Gal Godot :clap:
[/LIST]
[/QUOTE]

Yeah there is a load of more stuff I meant to add. And I’m spotting typos and half written sentences.
Kind of comes with the territory with my scatterbrain writing.


#11

[QUOTE=“Distended Red Anus, post: 995054, member: 2648”]holy mother of fuck.
I hope you copy and pasted all that, and even then you’d want to take a long hard look at yourself.[/QUOTE]

ah leave off @cluaindiuic he’s come a long way since he was making mixtapes for guys across the hall from him


#12

Great stuff CLD. I’m a semi nerd myself- Star Trek, Star Wars and reader of fantasy. The super hero genre has most certainly tweaked my interest of late, tho I still find a lot of it cheesy. I’m delighted with the direction X-Men has gone but two of my favourites in recent times were Watchmen and Sin City. I much prefer the anti hero stance and the dark undertones these stories carry, is there anything along these lines in the pipelines?


#13

Sin City 2.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458481/


#14

[QUOTE=“tazdedub, post: 995160, member: 312”]Sin City 2.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458481/[/QUOTE]

I’m not much of a Sin City fan. It feels a bit too much of style over substance.
But each to their own. Given that it originates in comic books it can live here.

Here is the latest trailer and rewind theatre breakdown of the trailer. It’s out in a couple of weeks.


#15

For fucks sake lads… time to give this shit up.


#16

Fuck off with your self you sterile bastard.


#17

And take up golf and growing blight ridden spuds? No thanks


#18

Unless this thread turns into a teenage mutant hero turtles thread then I’m also out.


#19

Watchmen (the movie) was shite, mate.


#20

Im quite dismayed about the lack of mention of judge dredd, considering the wonderful crossovers with batman and Judgement in Gotham would make for a fantastic film