The Official TFK Ireland 1912-1923 Thread

I read the disappearances book when it first came out, I think it was for something I was doing in college but I can’t recall, I enjoyed it, thought it was well told, I was particularly engrossed in the stuff about Sing Sing in Knockraha, an area I’m familiar with and Florrie O’Donoghue and Martin Corry in particular.
I wasn’t aware that it had been discredited but you’re not the first or second or third to say so, like all history books I’m sure there’s a mixture of truth and speculation etc, but I take back the recommendations if it helps,

Now, bizarrely, I bought the Eve Morrison book weeks ago but haven’t gotten around to it yet, again I’ll read what she has to say and maybe she’ll be convincing, I didn’t realise that she was such a devotee of Hart, so let’s see where that goes.
On the subject of Kilmichael, I’ve always been suspicious of Tom Barry since I read his book, he’s a ferocious braggart and I know he fell out with a lot of his previous comrades in later life, but he’s on a pedestal with many

But I like to approach things with an open mind, I had grand uncles from the Upton area that fought with Barry and co but there’s always good and bad in war

What would you know about it?

My first girlfriend was from Knockraha

By god.

From The Times: August 30, 1922

The Publicity Department of the South-Western Command has issued the following statement: “At 3.35pm yesterday a boat arrived in Valencia Harbour and the Irregular occupants proceeded to cut the Transatlantic cables. They had succeeded in cutting one of them when troops arrived in another boat, and the cable cutters departed. Mr Childers was in charge of the Irregulars and directed their activities.”

There were hundreds of visitors to the grave of General Collins in Glasnevin Cemetery today. The gates were opened at 8 o’clock, and the admissions were regulated by national troops. At midday the crush was so great that the gates had to be closed for a time. Among the early arrivals were Mr John Collins, the dead general’s brother, and other relatives from the County Cork.
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The author Erskine Childers c 1920

Now the Irregulars in the South have been driven from the towns they have embarked on a campaign of guerrilla warfare in mid-Cork and parts of Co Kerry. Ambushes are laid on roads used by National troops, and heavy fire directed on every military vehicle. A young officer of the National Forces has just been killed in the Macroom district. He had gone out to reconnoitre with a small party of men and ran into an ambush. They engaged their attackers and sent to Macroom for help. Before the reinforcements arrived, Lieutenant Lee was shot in the head and died.

When the Irregulars retreated they left behind rifles, revolvers, and ammunition. Another body of Irregulars attacked an outpost near Bandon. They were caught in the rear by other troops and three are reported to have been killed. Edward Isherwood, motor-car driver, 22, an Englishman, was taken from his residence at Blackpool, Cork, early yesterday by armed men, taken to a field some miles away, shot, and left for dead. He escaped, however, with two wounds, and is in Cork hospital. A card was tied to his breast bearing the words “Convicted spy. IRA. Beware.”

Isherwood frequently drove cars for the National forces. Before shooting him, masked men charged him with driving the late General Collins when the fatal attack was made on him at Bealnablath. They mentioned the names of six other motor men whom they intended to shoot and “would soon be in heaven with him.”

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Lots of strange reactions to the Free State 100 year anniversary. Ultimately the majority fell in behind it, with some changes along the way of course.

Today also marks the day that Sean Hales TD was murdered and the executions were really ramped up. Hard not to read about the Civil War and not wonder what would have happened if Liam Lynch hadn’t been there. He was some gobshite.

States are an outdated concept. What’s important now is the planet and all the creatures that live on it.

Edgy

Another dig at a Limerick man

What’s edgy? He was a disastrous as leader of the anti Treaty forces, his subordinates thought the same.

He lost Limerick for the anti Treaty forces after making much of his desired Munster Republic.

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That’s a cool clip, he’s beaming.

Must have been some moment to see the flag come down and the Tricolour go up

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Must have been temporary. Within a couple of days we had a TD of a Parliament under that flag dead along with another injured. Then there was the reprisal executions.

Leaders on all sides must have been filled with fear this time 100 years ago. So senseless and needless.

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Desperate stuff. Is that clip from the new rte civil war doc?
To be honest though the ‘modern’ northern IRA had far more right to be fighting than the anti treaty side in the civil war. Neither had a political majority but at least the provos had real concrete grievances rather than ideology. Has that ever been put to the likes of Micheal martin properly?
And executing prisoners was as bad if not worse than anything the Brits did after 1916 too in fairness.