I know those english dramas too-hoo
Theyâre cru-hooel
Again, more nonsense. Nobody promoted the âcull of thousandsâ, the fact you keep repeating this solidifies you position as an imbecile. You should try reading beyond the sensationalist headlines and educate yourself.
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Anyone promoting herd immunity without a vaccine is promoting a cull. Gupta was one of those.
Opposition to the lockdown strategies pursued by governments is not promoting a cull, the goals pursued by Gupta, Bhattacharya, Kulldorff and the thousands who signed the Great Barrington declaration were to minimize deaths while doing the least social harm. The evidence is the vast majority of people who encounter this virus are either not bothered by it or have very mild symptoms, that simply doesnât justify the measures we have seen since March.
The onus on governments was to put measures in place to protect the vulnerable, something they failed utterly at in most western countries. If you want to get angry about something focus your attention on those who failed to protect nursing home residents in Ireland.
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Is this guy just pretending to be a dickhead or is he genuine?
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He has the head of a dickhead
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Heâs like the love child of craig doyle and jimmy hill
Just had a look and heâs genuine
But this isnât true.
What they argued for was hyper focused protection for a briefer period than what we have now.
We are to all intents and purposes following this, except with a slower release of the virus.
I agree that there were huge logistical challenges to it, inter generational families is not as easy thing to solve. Nor is Zero Covid though. Nor is the slow burn release strategy, part of their argument was that the slow burn release strategy heightened risk as fatigue from restrictions would eventually see more spread of the virus amongst the aged.
We also need to be grown ups and accept that there are trade offs with every single approach.
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You can label it whatever way you want but she wanted it to rip through. She went even further during the summer and said that it had likely already ripped through. Most of her peers labelled her assumptions on immunity levels as incredibly optimistic as the figures she was using were in contrast with what was actually happening at the time. Her report was released without peer review and was publicised by a PR company with heavy links to the Tory government. Her attempts to pretend to care about those less well off are laughable.
While there is a bit to play out in this yet itâs apparent and has been since the summer that those who have suffered the most avoidable fatalities were in countries like the UK, US and Brazil. These countries were all happy to let it rip through, the approach promoted by Gupta. The vaccine will hopefully quieten dangerous people like her who are happy for people to die so they can go to the theatre.
You are confusing two things.
The paper in March were scenario estimates based on timing when the virus could have entered the UK and the various estimates bandied about for R. Ultimately it was far more right than wrong - it has been shown that the virus entered Europe and the UK earlier than what was previously thought. And T Cell/cross immunity is becoming clearer as an impact across the globe, with varying exposure. It was a range of scenarios, not optimism.
Aside from that, immunity based on Wave 1 transmission is increasingly being seen. The towns in Lombady hit hard first time out have not seen the same levels as before. London has not seen the same level of mortality as before. Itâs early, but there is barely a blip in deaths in New York. 20% has an established impact on transmission and likely mortality too.
On the Great Barrington Declaration, again it was not about âletting it ripâ. It was about hyper focused protection for a period of time, leveraging state resources to do so. We are all essentially following this approach, just at a slower pace.
What we are actually seeing globally is that places are reaching an even level. The Czech Republic is actually a good example of what they talked about. They locked down early and hard in March & suffered very little impact from Covid. They have in the last 6 weeks though seen it blast through the population hard. The underlying risk was still there and it has hit them for 6.
You can add Belgium, Spain, Peru, France and others to your list of countries hard hit - all of whom had long lockdowns.
I donât get these claims on peopleâs motivations, itâs really strange. It comes from this lie that âmy approach has no trade offsâ so you must be an animal. They actually acknowledge the trade offs of their approach, Zero Coviders and repeat Lockdown people do not.
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For a non peer reviewed report it got a lot of unmerited attention. You can understand the uninformed being taken in by dangerously inaccurate guesswork but the the UK government used this as expert opinion when the authors are not considered experts on the pandemic amongst their peers. The likes of the UK and US used these kind of âexpertsâ to give them the sort of information they wanted to hear, at the cost of thousands of lives. The motive for people in their positions to put out such dangerously inaccurate raimeis should alwys be questioned.
Loads of non peer reviewed reports are getting attention, that is not the authors fault.
The UK Government never took this as expert opinion to devise policy. The UK had locked down before it came to national attention.
Herd immunity came from Sir Patrick Vallance. The point of that paper wasnât even advocating for herd immunity, it was a range of scenarios.
Lolzers. Her range of scenarios were based on dangerously inaccurate data. Whether deliberately inaccurate is for another day.
What data was inaccurate? It was a theoretical model. The issues youâd have would have been with the assumptions, not really the data.
Anyway, it played no role in the UK initially talking about herd immunity.
Well the UK based their disastrous herd immunity approach from âexpertâ advice similar to the likes of Gupta. Thankfully the vaccine will quieten the let it rip merchants.
From my sister
"Itâs the âOxford commaâ (comma before âandâ when writing a list)- used to capture a killer in a recent episode of Inspector Morse, as it happens. God help me.
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You said it was from her, it wasnât. So lets just admit you were wrong and move on.