I said your take was bizarre, I donât think thatâs having a go at you, we disagree on a thing, I havenât called you names. You said theyâre non political, thatâs clearly nonsense. Theyâre all spouting the same anti immigration bullshit, thatâs political. The gardai have stated theyâre driven by far right ideology. They are scumbags, I agree, and they might not be the most politically engaged in a traditional sense, but theyâve clearly convened around a nasty political ideology, itâs what drew them together.
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Trouble is Mike, that like ourselves, there are good and not so good amongst folk moving here for whatever reason. We cannot have a completely open border, unless everyone does. In which case, youâd be trying to admit the good folk and not the not so good folk. Multiculturalism is a complete red herring. It doesnât matter ones colour race or creed, you are either a productive or at least neutral member of society, or you arenât. Itâd be nice to exchange those scrotes rioting last night for Syrian refugees, but we canât do that.
The trouble with the current immigration is that it is happening so fast that society hasnât time to catch itâs breath. It is also being abused by some folk. Thereâs no doubt about that. If any debate about this is shouted down, thatâs no good either. It just drives extremism. Reasoned debate is being lost, and that to my mind is a major problem.
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This is very true. The optics are awful.
Green âMake Ireland Reasonable for the First Timeâ baseball caps will be selling like hot cakes
Well it depends. Some of those marauding are just deluded young lads who if sorted away from the ringleaders are probably decent. Some of your 100 immigrant people may be hateful. Immigrants are just people, some good, some not so good. Them lads in Dublin are the same. Half of them are just bored and hopeless.
Iâve not been living in Ireland, but I didnât see it coming. Iâm genuinely shocked it happened.
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A massive crossover between the scrotes from last night and right wing nonsense, Iâd have assumed that was a given?
They are and they arenât âpoliticalâ depending on how you define the term. i.e. would never attend a protest for anything at say 9am in the morning, or miss an excuse for a riot.
They wonât be politically organised but a dangerous enough mob when let do their own thing and let incite/ disinform
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Deep fried bacon and cabbage. You could be on to something.
Fintan turns on the welfare class
These pitiful thugs are not us. They do not act for us, speak for us or burn buses for us
These pitiful thugs are not us. They do not act for us, speak for us or burn buses for us
Dublin riots: While humanity is capable of the worst atrocities, it is not defined by them. We are â really â better than this
Dublin riots: A bus set on fire on OâConnell Street on Thursday night amid chaotic riots that saw violence and looting in Dublin city centre. Photograph: Stephen Collins/Collins Dublin
It is after midnight and I am writing in the dark. A few hours after the dreadful events in Dublin, nobody really knows anything. Except that there was an appalling act of violence in Parnell Square and that, instead of doing the decent thing and waiting to absorb the pain of our fellow human beings, some organised factions of the far right decided that this was their time to shine.
A long knife taken to the tiny bodies of little children? Fantastic, they must have thought, letâs strut our stuff. Letâs make central Dublin our catwalk. Are we not men? Do we not look cool in our balaclavas?
Male narcissists everywhere, one with a long knife, others with petrol bombs. What is it they want to say? Look at me! I am important. I matter because I can stab and burn and make everybody else feel the seasick, dizzying sensation of being in a world without pity or rationality. Suck it up. Look at me!
At this time of writing, I have no idea what could have motivated someone to wait outside a primary school for the right time to swoop on little kids and try to butcher them. And, to be honest, I donât want to know.
It is not sane to enter into that insanity. To lead half-bearable lives, we must keep our bearings. We must remember that, while humanity is capable of the worst atrocities, it is not defined by them. We are â really â better than this.
And weâre better than the scumbags who see such horror and think: Yes! Oh, look, hereâs an opportunity. Isnât it great that those kids got stabbed because now we have an opening?
Good on the maniac. He is the warm-up act for our show. The overture is an act of unspeakable terror. But here we come, prancing on to the stage: we are the opera! We are the real event!
For them it is probably a pity that the attacker was not sadistic enough. The worse the better â more blood, more outrage, more savagery to set our brains reeling and drive us all so astray in the head that we would think that fascism was the answer.
But: screw them. These pitiful thugs are not us. They do not act for us or speak for us or burn buses for us. We are not so stupid as to allow ourselves to be exploited and manipulated by people whose sense of humanity has shrunk so drastically that they see a vile assault on little kids as their moment in the sun. And their moment to loot a pair of high-end trainers while still feeling righteous and seeing themselves, in some weird hall of mirrors, as Irish patriots.
Donât look at the maniac who attacked the children. Donât look at the goons who want to surf on his grotesque madness to preen themselves on social media as if they are historical players and shapers of the destiny of the nation.
Look, rather, at the so-called ordinary people. Think of who is âusâ here. Who acted on the deep instincts of Irish â and human â civilisation? Who, before conscious thought was possible, represented who we are?
Even if we do not yet know what really happened in Parnell Square, we know enough to be certain of the answer to these questions. The people who acted for the vast majority of us were those who, without time to think or plan or reckon, risked their own lives to try to protect those kids.
This is where we should direct our gaze: to the childcare worker who, in that moment of overwhelming shock, put herself between the attacker and a little girl he was assaulting. To the random women and men who just happened to be on that street at that time and who rushed, without calculation or reflection, to put themselves in peril for no other reason than that children they did not know needed protection.
It probably occurs to all of us at some stage to wonder: how would I react in this kind of situation, when there is nothing to go on except some deep, usually unconscious, sense of who I am? I know I often fear that I would chicken out and find some discreet way to veer away from what is happening and take the safe way out.
But in this crucible, in this testing moment when push came to shove, people on the streets of Dublin reacted instinctively with courage, compassion and steely competence. They saw an overwhelming vileness unfolding in real time, second by second, and they did not recoil or retreat. They stepped up and stepped in.
So, again: screw the narcissists. Screw their vanity and their self-regard and their contemptible attempts to exploit a national trauma in order to parade their own self-regard and maybe get a pair of branded shoes from Foot Locker while theyâre at it.
We know who we are. We know what the deep-seated, often silent, reflexes of most Irish people really are. It should not take such harrowing incidents to bring them to the surface. But amidst our distress there is some consolation in knowing that those instincts are still sharply honed.
The anguish and the anxiety go deep, and this moment will not be easily erased. But we have seen that some things go much deeper: including the love that impels us to risk our lives for one another. That is where our republic lives.
Not to the country. To parts of it.
Good man Owen, Iâll leave you off on the spelling mistake and all, you nailed it
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Hopefully they finish up early. Thank fuck no one was killed last night. McGregor and his ilk will be up about 12ish, scratch his mads, go online spouting racist nonsense and the hard core will head out about 6 to wreck the city to protect the Irish from crime.
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Not a great weekend for a boxing match in 3 Arena
a nice cover for drew and the failure of senior gardai. simply put, dublin hasnt been properly policed in years. Oâconnell st and its environs has been surrendered to the scrotes. low to mid level crime in dublin city is regularly ignored and even when it is caught in the act, the judges allow people with over 50 convictions âjust one more chanceâ.
if the gardai that mcentee promised would be patrolling the D1 area after that poor american was hospitalised by the sctrotes, had arrived, then theres a high likelihood that the worst of last nights scenes wouldnt have happened.
the right wing element has been emboldened but make no mistake, the failure is on senior management of AGS and the minister by letting it get to this stage.
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How do you reason this? A couple extra gardai walking around - whoâs the say they werenât - was not going to hold back the crowd that convened last night.
Itâs not difficult. Heâs reasoning if more had been done in the build up then the build up doesnât happen. Last night was a one off, the other 364 days not so much. Stop being dumb.
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it wouldve been more than a couple of gardai, and besides, once the word went around that the assailant was algerian, the place shouldve been flooded with cops and it wasnt
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#FoleyforCommisioner
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