Uk affairs, The Double Lizzie Crisis (Part 1)

The company that made the cladding make 3 types of that specific panel, 2 have a fire resistant core, the other one is a cheaper, flamable product, that had already been banned for use on buildings over 40ft in the US. Sad thing is the flamable panels are only £2 per square meter cheaper than the fire resistant ones.

The cheaper one meets UK building regs but in Germany the same panel is classified as "flamable "

Having a proper fire code where these flammable panels are outlawed - that’s the kind of thing that right-wing media and politicians call “red tape” or “unnecessary regulations”.

Funny how often the word “regulations” is immediately preceded by the word “unnecessary” in media.

Narratives.

“Red tape”, aka regulations that stop people dying.

“Taking back control”.

You are mentally unstable kid.

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Some things didn’t change much while you were away

You were happy enough to see Apollo House be occupied for weeks even though it didn’t meet any safety standards or building regulations to function as a Hotel/Hostel. You didn’t give a fuck about red tape or regulation then. Truly pathetic that you’ll use any tragedy as an excuse to spout bile.

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Speaking personally i would be grossly uncomfortable living so high up on a tower block. I understand if you are in a big city like London, New York etc you might not have a choice as dictated by financial resources. I suppose these people were mostly poor and had no other options than to live 20 floors up or 24 floors up on a fire trap. I met a friend of mine a few months back who is living in Sydney and he was telling me his apartment is on the 11th floor. I remember thinking “that wouldn’t be me anyway”. I’d rather live further out from the city centre towards the outskirts in a building no more than three floors up so if i ever did have to jump i’d have a chance of survival. This chap lives bang in middle of Sydney so i suppose that is the price you pay and the risk you take. Hard to see it happening in an apartment block with wealthy people though.

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Seriously ?

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I moved out to the eastern suburbs 12 months ago pal. Maybe check your PMs once in a while.

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It works both ways surely? Good timing once again to come and prop up Sidney.

You can’t compare a protest at a building to residential social housing

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People lived in an unsafe building for six weeks pal, irrespective of the sentiments of what they were doing. Astounding hypocrisy to ignore safety concerns with Apollo house and a year later use it as a prop for his left wing rhetoric. Surprised at you.

Don’t forget his crowing for pitch invasions generally.

Health and safety regulations are a nuisance you see when they stop the working classes having a bit of fun.
:unamused:

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I understand the cladding used was an Aluminium Composite panel. I use this all the time for printing as signage, it’s basically a low density Polyethelene board sandwiched between two thin (0.3 or 0.5mm) aluminium sheets. It’s a great product with many uses. The Polyethelene is flammable, but I understand there is a fire resistant alternative used in construction. It is absolutely bizarre that the fire resistant core wasn’t used. I can’t believe there was no sprinkler system in the building. It’s 2017 for fucks sake.
The idea of people frantically trying to get their children out of that don’t bear thinking about. It’s truly, truly awful.

Is Apollo House clad in flammable material, mate?

Do safety standards only apply to flammable external cladding, mate?

It’s so telling that you consider people being angry at 150 people dying in an entirely preventable fire to be “bile”.

I’d like to see you head down to the streets of North Kensington and tell the people there that they’re “spouting bile”.

I’d say there’s two chances of you telling that to somebody there to their face.

The likes of you would charge homeless people rent for sleeping under a bridge if you could get away with it.

Everyone is appalled and angry, but you’re the only one on here politicising this tragedy to reinforce your left wing views. All I’ve done is highlight your hypocrisy.

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You seem to be a bit slow, so you give the standard cliche response of a right-wing fool - “stop politicising it”.

It’s an inherently political issue.

Only idiots like you can’t see that.

So, why should I not politicise this inherently political issue?

This couldn’t be more political.

Is it because it offends your politics?

It is, isn’t it?

In January 2016, 39% of Tory MPs were landlords.

With the vast majority of the Tory party, they voted overwhelmingly against a Labour amendment to the Housing and Planning Act which would required all private rented accommodation to be “fit for human habitation”, because “it would be a burden on landlords and discourage people from renting out homes”.

Imagine demanding rented accommodation be “fit for human habitation”. The barefaced cheek, the sheer sense of entitlement…

Of course, this kind of thing is “not political”, apparently.